IDN Forums - Internationalized Domain Names  
Home | Advertise on idnforums | Premium Membership

Go Back   IDN Forums - Internationalized Domain Names > IDN Discussions > General Discussion

General Discussion Feel free to talk about anything and everything in this board.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 16th April 2009, 11:49 PM
jose's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,725
iTrader: (49)
Rep Power: 5444
jose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nicejose is just really nice
Wink .köln, the first IDN TLD!

... at least according to pool:

http://www.quintaris.pool.com/
__________________
Looking for the perfect, still free .com domain name, for your next endeavor? Ask me. $5 only. Here's my most recent, 101th story of success: CarRealtime.com
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 12:05 AM
555 555 is offline
ком.ком コム.コム
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,141
iTrader: (33)
Rep Power: 1708
555 has disabled reputation
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

From
dotKöln
Thomas Lenz
c/o a&o buero
Richmodstrasse 37
D-50667 Köln
ICANN
Mr Paul Twomey
4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601
USA
FAX: +1.310.823.8649
paul_twomey @icann.org
Cologne, 2009/04/13
Comment on the second draft Applicant Guidebook
Dear Mr Twomey
To reaffirm the comments we submitted regarding the first Draft Applicant Guidebook, we would like to
comment on the second draft of the Applicant Guidebook as follows:
1.) Application, Evaluation Fee and Annual Fees
As we have stated before, our potential application is based on a community of a few million people in the
region of the City of Cologne, Germany.
It will serve the public interest by creating second-level domains and connected services that add value for
governments, authorities, and the people making up our community. Looking at the size of the potential
market for second level domains within the gTLD “.köln”, the proposed evaluation fee of US$ 185,000 for
one gTLD string seems to be too high. We therefore suggest the evaluation fee to be lowered considerably
to improve the economical conditions for regional gTLDs. The overall fees for the first three years of
operation should not exceed US$ 100,000 for new gTLDs.
2.) Multi-String and IDN Applications
The proposed US$ 185,000 evaluation fee is meant for one gTLD string per application. In many cases, the
native names of a geographic location such as cities and regions are different from their names in other
languages and scripts. There may be several variations for one and the same location, in particular if the
place is in the non English speaking world. Köln is a perfect example of both this specific issue and of a
Top-Level-Domain that contains IDN-characters, the so-called “Umlaute”. The city is known as Köln (or
Koeln) in German speaking countries and as Cologne in English and French speaking communities,
whereas other Latin idioms call it Colonia.
According to the Draft Applicant Guidebook, initiatives which intend to apply for a TLD need to choose one
string, either with or without the Umlaut. This practice will confuse parties that wish to use e-mail addresses
or to find websites. This practice also bears the risk that a second or third registry will be established with
the available versions of the city or region name, which would mean inappropriate confusion of the internet
community. Therefore we suggest that an application may comprise more than one string with and without
the “Umlaut” at a combined, reduced application fee and that the annual fee will be limited to one fee for all
strings since the operation of the registry will be the same. In our case, we would file an application for
“.köln”, which might include “.koeln”, “.cologne” and “.colonia” as the most widely spread spellings. Besides
making sense for us, we also see potential benefits for ICANN, as this would be a clear statement in favour
of a transparent gTLD landscape and keep additional evaluation and dispute workload from the
organisation.
3.) Timeline
The application window for new dTLDs has repeatedly been delayed by ICANN and up to now, no definite
time frame is in sight. Setting up a reliable and executable business plan is crucial for gathering the funds to
finance the application and operation process from the very start until the final filing of the application and
further on into the actual start of the new gTLD. The uncertainty of the timeline puts the reliability at risk and
makes financial budgeting just as difficult as the planning of the business activities.
We therefore urge ICANN to present a final and reliable date for the first round of applications and to stick to
the original plan to offer a second round within one year after round one has been completed.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 02:55 AM
Semi-retired
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,531
iTrader: (57)
Rep Power: 3468
alpha has disabled reputation
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

lol

so not only do they not want to pay $180k for 1

they want to buy 1 for ~100k and get 3 free; i'm surprised they didn't go all the way and ask for all the dozens of permutations of typos on those 4 too

Last edited by alpha; 17th April 2009 at 03:01 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 03:01 AM
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,699
iTrader: (50)
Rep Power: 1274
gammascalper is on a distinguished roadgammascalper is on a distinguished roadgammascalper is on a distinguished roadgammascalper is on a distinguished roadgammascalper is on a distinguished roadgammascalper is on a distinguished road
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

Maybe he'll retract his application when he realizes he's applying for dot xn--kln-sna.com

WTF is that LOL
__________________
-----
Offers by e-mail, PM or forum post valid for 5 days
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 03:36 AM
Drewbert's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 6,091
iTrader: (20)
Rep Power: 0
Drewbert is a tad dodgyDrewbert is a tad dodgyDrewbert is a tad dodgyDrewbert is a tad dodgyDrewbert is a tad dodgyDrewbert is a tad dodgyDrewbert is a tad dodgy
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

Well, I guess if he gets as many variants as he wants for the same application fee, then Verisign gets as many variants as they want for com/net for free too!
__________________
It's all jaded style to me.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 04:00 AM
sbe18's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,339
iTrader: (10)
Rep Power: 1669
sbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enoughsbe18 will become famous soon enough
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

Drewbert's point is the true item...


Is dot NYC going to ask for dot nyny or dot nycnyusa or dot newyork etc..?
for the email confusion avoidance fee structure/ ?

Verisign is not going to pay dot net and dot com x 160 languages..
sheeeeesh.


there is no way GNSO is going to support buy 1 get 3 or buy 1 get 7.
also, ICANN wants the 185K ...every time ...

s.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 04:56 AM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4536
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbert View Post
Well, I guess if he gets as many variants as he wants for the same application fee, then Verisign gets as many variants as they want for com/net for free too!
Yes, it is looking as though the ASCII guys might also be demanding DNAMES.
Would .London not reasonable be entitle to .Londres? I think they should. Clearly, they should only get one registry for one fees, but perhaps multiple aliases for a much smaller fee. DNAMES by any other name!
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 05:00 AM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4536
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

Quote:
Originally Posted by sbe18 View Post
Drewbert's point is the true item...


Is dot NYC going to ask for dot nyny or dot nycnyusa or dot newyork etc..?
for the email confusion avoidance fee structure/ ?

Verisign is not going to pay dot net and dot com x 160 languages..
sheeeeesh.


there is no way GNSO is going to support buy 1 get 3 or buy 1 get 7.
also, ICANN wants the 185K ...every time ...

s.
If the aliases are so close that confusion precludes allowing multiple registrations then ICANN would not get the fees anyway.

I would not bet on Verisign not paying a fees for a very large number of languages here. Domaining is big business. And it would also give them grounds to renegotiate with ICANN what they can extort for a dot com.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 06:13 AM
domainguru's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,835
iTrader: (14)
Rep Power: 2543
domainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura about
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

http://www.quintaris.pool.com/About.aspx

Pre-ordering new gTLDs. rotfl.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 06:39 AM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4536
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

This is basically what Americans mean when they tell us their economy is more based on Intellectual Property than exporting Goods.

Quote:
Originally Posted by domainguru View Post
http://www.quintaris.pool.com/About.aspx

Pre-ordering new gTLDs. rotfl.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 17th April 2009, 08:39 AM
Fka200's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SoCal (The Valley)
Posts: 2,135
iTrader: (21)
Rep Power: 1236
Fka200 will become famous soon enoughFka200 will become famous soon enoughFka200 will become famous soon enoughFka200 will become famous soon enoughFka200 will become famous soon enoughFka200 will become famous soon enoughFka200 will become famous soon enough
Re: .köln, the first IDN TLD!

What a great laugh.
__________________
Fka200 Domain Blog
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 02:08 AM.

Site Sponsors
Your ad here
buy t-shirt
מחיר הזהב

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright idnforums.com 2005

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54