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Chinese President and Bill Gates to meet

Chinese President Hu Jintao's first official visit to the United States started in Seattle. It's not a mere pit stop on the way to Washington D.C. -- it's business. China's relationship with the U.S. capital may be complicated, but the Chinese president has friends in the other Washington. Hu said he didn't choose to visit Seattle simply because it's the closest major U.S. city to China. "It is also because your state enjoys very good cooperative relations with my country," he said through a translator. Washington state depends on trade, and China is a big customer. Twenty-billion dollars worth of goods traveled through Washington ports heading to and from China last year. Boeing believes China will buy more than $183 billion worth of commercial airlines over the next 20 years. Microsoft looks to China as the fastest-growing market for personal computers. President Hu will tour Boeing and Microsoft, both of which have invested heavily in China. But when Microsoft founder Bill Gates meets with the Chinese leader, there will be more than talk about money. When the leader of the world's most powerful communist country meets with one of this country's leading capitalists, the talk will be about the future. Hu has told President Bush and others that his biggest challenge is to guide China through a cultural change. As billions of dollars are pumped into the economy, some get wealthy and others get left behind. The Chinese want "heping fashan," or peaceful development.

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While many in the United States see cheap Chinese labor as a threat to American jobs, many in China see the West as a land of marauding capitalists. When poor peasants from the country see the newly minted Chinese middle class buying $4 Starbucks lattes, leaders worry that differences between the haves and the have nots could lead to trouble for both the Chinese government and U.S. businesses. According to author Greg Huang, Microsoft stumbled in its early dealings with the Chinese but has more recently invested in the future of the country. Gates and Microsoft have created a development laboratory in Beijing that has become a mecca for China's best and brightest. It has simultaneously become both a source of pride for the Chinese and a weapon in Microsoft's battle against its competitors. The Chinese have begun to see Microsoft as a contributor to "heping fashan," and Microsoft has found a way to harness the intellectual power of brilliant Chinese software engineers. The strategy has already had an impact. Some experts estimate that more than 70 percent of all computers in China run illegal and pirated versions of Microsoft software. In the past week, the Chinese announced that three of the country's largest PC manufacturers would buy more than 1.6 billion legitimate copies of the Windows operating system. "There's still an impression that software should be free, so that's important stuff," said Huang. Hu will dine with Gates, the governor of Washington and others Tuesday evening at the Microsoft chairman's palatial home. The Chinese president leaves for the other Washington on Wednesday. It seems Gates and Jintao want to overlook their differences and problems and work toward a partnership based on mutual gain. Is there a lesson to be learned from that thinking? Greg Huang believes so. "Business leaders are more forward thinking about finding ways so both sides are able to win," he said.

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Re: Chinese President and Bill Gates to meet

China is no more a communist country. China has more capitalists than anyone else.

Here, I predict again :-)

China will become a very good country to live; has better democracy, better human rights, better religious freedom, and a lot of wealth.

Their central government started from Deng Xiao-Ping, is one of the best and most effective governments of the world since the Big Bang.
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China - there are many faces to China - the east coast versus inland, rural versus city. I assume you are talking about the east coast and cities.

Many people here have not been to China......

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China is no more a communist country. China has more capitalists than anyone else.
Agreed. It's kind of like England, which is not a monarch.

There's nothing "Made in China" 15, 20 years ago. Now China makes almost everything. No capitalist country did that, not India or Japan. If this is not capitalism I don't know what is.

Yahoo went public in 1996. Within 10 years, china.com, sohu, netease, ctrip, tom.com, 51job, snda, baidu etc all went public in nasdaq. In 96 very few people can afford a computer. Now there are over 100 million netizens. China is changing fast, and Chinese internet may just be the fastest growing industry in the world.

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The biggest significance to this is it is happening in the same place as Roundtable and with the obvious IE 7.0 and IDN connections, it should have those IDN seminars packed like sardines this week! Get out your electronic surfboard. I can feel a big wave coming!
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Re: Chinese President and Bill Gates to meet

Let's not pretend everything is a ok in China, it is still a communist country where dissidents are oppressed. If it weren't for capitalism China wouldn't be on the move at all in terms of the political landscape.

Breaking down that appalling firewall is a first step...
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Let's not pretend everything is a ok in China, it is still a communist country where dissidents are oppressed. If it weren't for capitalism China wouldn't be on the move at all in terms of the political landscape.

Breaking down that appalling firewall is a first step...
Yes, but ultimately authoritarianism and capitalism are incompatible.

Every dictator has his constituency and invariably all that constituency wants is to get rich and have a better life. If they see capitalism as the means of achieving that, then democracy will eventually follow.
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Yes, but ultimately authoritarianism and capitalism are incompatible.

Every dictator has his constituency and invariably all that constituency wants is to get rich and have a better life. If they see capitalism as the means of achieving that, then democracy will eventually follow.

Not totally true, Singapore is a p-democracy, but it is more capitalist than Europe and America.

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea.../countries.cfm

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Not totally true, Singapore is a p-democracy, but it is more capitalist than Europe and America.
I don't think that Singapore is immune to democratic change, it just hasn't happened yet.
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Yes, but ultimately authoritarianism and capitalism are incompatible.

Every dictator has his constituency and invariably all that constituency wants is to get rich and have a better life. If they see capitalism as the means of achieving that, then democracy will eventually follow.
Yes I think so too, China has (unwillingly) set the course for a more open and liberal society when it set out the goal to become a leading economical power.

Happily so for the Chinese .

I hope the changes will come naturally with the ruling elite refraining from military force... I am a bit skeptical about that though
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I don't think that Singapore is immune to democratic change, it just hasn't happened yet.

Well, i dunno, i've never voted in my life - even though i went through 2 elections, coming the 3rd one - why? because there's no opposition candidate for my ward....

I'm looking forward to next month's election - it'll be public holiday. :p

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Anyway, getting back on topic, what is going to be the single biggest question he asks Bill? And will he use the F word?
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He's not a politician, despite his philantropism he's a businessman that want's to be in the good book of the chinese president.

Critique by Gates is critique by the western world....
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I was rather referring to the fact that the Chinese are probably even more interested than we are on when IE 7.0 will be released.
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I was rather referring to the fact that the Chinese are probably even more interested than we are on when IE 7.0 will be released.
Very much so.

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Yes I think so too, China has (unwillingly) set the course for a more open and liberal society when it set out the goal to become a leading economical power.

Happily so for the Chinese .
Why am I so confident about China's future? Because China has the will to change. Changes in China are started from the top, right at the central government, the only problem is the people can't keep up with the (central) government. This is the irony.

I emphasized the "central" government, because the lower level governments and hardliners keep resisting changes for fear of losing their "privilege" and power.
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