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Old 22nd June 2009, 12:32 AM
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Re: Just lost a .cn domain

Have yet to see any reasonable arguements backed up by facts that would put me off investing in idn.cctld or cctld of any colo/ur or creed.Only the usual .com is better, bigger, bolder etc.

I too have quite a few .com's, just think that there are equal opportunities outside the old style of thinking- after all- idners are a rare breed as it is, idncctlders are even thinner on the ground- the lepers of the the idn community.:p

China is moving forward at such a phenomenal pace and wants to show it's best face to the world, within limitations of course.

idn.cn is just one small factor in their overall development but will have a very large impact on their internet prescence, sooner rather than later imho.

Time, as always, will be the determining factor.

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If you have good contacts, you can get your domain back easily. People at CNNIC are very friendly and anything can be negotiable.
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If you have good contacts, you can get your domain back easily. People at CNNIC are very friendly and anything can be negotiable.
But that addresses the nature of the problem directly - its not much "fun" investing in a "non-transparent" system where "knowing the right people" is more important than anything else.

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But that addresses the nature of the problem directly - its not much "fun" investing in a "non-transparent" system where "knowing the right people" is more important than anything else.
Some may argue this is a metaphor for life!.. But, Giant, why did you bring this up in the first place?!.. claims such as this only help those who don't know what they are talking about to throw yet more (unsubstantiated) mud at the CNNIC registry...

Anyway, you have intimated that CNNIC staff are corrupt. Do you have any info to back that up?
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But that addresses the nature of the problem directly - its not much "fun" investing in a "non-transparent" system where "knowing the right people" is more important than anything else.
Exactly. Investing in IDN.com and investing in IDN.cn requires different type of skills. For dot com, you need to know what are the good domains to buy. For dot cn, you need to know who are the right people to buy.
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Anyway, you have intimated that CNNIC staff are corrupt.
We Chinese don't consider such "corrupt", it's a way of doing business.
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Do you have any info to back that up?
How long have you been here? Did I ever say something here that I did not have the info to back it up? If you are serious about investing in domain names and money is important to you, believe what I just said will do a lot of good to you.

No doubt, IDN.cn will be popular, and the popularity of IDN.cn will push the value of IDN.com up. But investing in IDN.cn domains requires much more care and thinking out of the box.
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Some may argue this is a metaphor for life!.. But, Giant, why did you bring this up in the first place?!.. claims such as this only help those who don't know what they are talking about to throw yet more (unsubstantiated) mud at the CNNIC registry...

Anyway, you have intimated that CNNIC staff are corrupt. Do you have any info to back that up?
blackops, I'm not having a go at you here ...

You ever heard of 'Baksheesh' (بخشش) or 'Coffee Money' (貼士) .. very loose translation?

These things can sometimes ease the passage of problems you may or may not have, or may have in the future.
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Re: Just lost a .cn domain

Can those in the know kindly post a list of all the "legitmate" idn.cn that have ben taken back by cnnic- you may include those that did not comply with the rules.

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Re: Just lost a .cn domain

Just to clarify, the domain did break the rules...I posted the rules for informational purposes, as a warning to avoid porn and sex related names as well domains with a political nature. I had never read the TOS/rules for .cn names from CNNIC, even though it has been discussed before here.

I did have a problem 2 years ago with a legitimate .cn, but it turned out to be a problem with the registrar saying the name was available, and not with CNNIC.
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Exactly. Investing in IDN.com and investing in IDN.cn requires different type of skills.
For dot com, you need to know what are the good domains to buy.
For dot cn, you need to know who are the right people to buy.
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Re: Just lost a .cn domain

Child-like insults, and stupidity, aside for one moment no one has anything negative to say about CNNIC then that they can back up with proof..
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Child-like insults, and stupidity, aside for one moment no one has anything negative to say about CNNIC then that they can back up with proof..
Most of us here have some .cn's. I'm interested in how things are going down under, and how quickly ICANN will release IDN.IDN to China. Or will Bulgaria be first?
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are going down under, and how quickly ICANN will release IDN.IDN to China. Or will Bulgaria be first?
Down under... Do you mean Australia or China? But idn.idn is, I believe, coming to China later this year (someone pls correct me if i'm wrong). Of course, idn.idn is already aliased to .cn, and idn.cn is what the Chinese govt is pushing hard to promote right now.

Very exciting times for .cn!
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Re: Just lost a .cn domain

Why need idn.idn? A high proportion of people in China only know .com.

Promoting idn.idn (.中国) is like trainning a baby to run.

"xxx初心者.com" looks like a domain and is easy to promote. "xxx初心者.中国" does not look like a DOTCOM address to most Chinese, it looks rather a weird keyword (as a domain, it also dilutes the "xxx初心者" keyword strength in the address since the address itself contains two keywords, xxx初心者+中国).
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Why need idn.idn? A high proportion of people in China only know .com.

Promoting idn.idn (.中国) is like trainning a baby to run.

"xxx初心者.com" looks like a domain and is easy to promote. "xxx初心者.中国" does not look like a DOTCOM address to most Chinese, it looks rather a weird keyword (as a domain, it also dilutes the "xxx初心者" keyword strength in the address since the address itself contains two keywords, xxx初心者+中国).
Ridiculous..

Look, I realise that many of you on here are quite heavily invested in Chinese idn.com but the truth is that idn.cn is idn.idn. It is what idn is all about, and it is what the Chinese govt are putting their money on and actively supporting.

The PRC do not care about, and do not want, Chinese idn.com - it is as simple as that...

I know the inclination is to do so, but please lets not allow this to descend in to yet another idn.cn/idn.idn vs. idn.com thread... retreading old ground is very tiresome, so let me be polite and suggest to you that there will be a market for both.

Fair enough?

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You did NOT point out which part of my post is ridiculous.

And you said the PRC do not want idn.com, this indicates you know nothing about China. It is the general people that matters. The people want idn.com. it is as simple as that (白云飘飘.com is a direct support of this statement. BTW, do you know this story at all?).

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You did NOT point out which part of my post is ridiculous.

And you said the PRC do not want idn.com, this indicates you know nothing about China. It is the general people that matters. The people want idn.com. it is as simple as that (白云飘飘.com is a direct support of this statement. BTW, do you know this story at all?).
Look, friend, your highly-sensitive attitude and inference is unwarranted and, just to clarify, ALL of your post was ridiculous; your opinion about idn.idn not being needed is fine, but it is not actually what this thread is about.

You, like Mulligan, seem to want to infer that I don't know what i'm talking about. But show me where, what I am saying, is wrong - that is all you need to do.. I know it will be hard for you to do this, especially without being offensive, but do try... :-)

In China, .cn will be king and .com (if it is lucky) may become queen...

China has spoken, and it has said ".cn"!
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Re: Just lost a .cn domain

You put things in an absolutely ridiculous way. It was you that was first saying my post was ridiculous while I was only talking about some truth. I did not specify my post to you and did not try to say that you were wrong or ridiculous. Understand?

I refuse to be quoted by you next time. Fair enough?!

As a Chinese (Mainland Chinese citizen, to be more accurate), I am proud of .cn, perhaps more than anyone else here.

And I won't discuss anything further with you before you start show some respects to others. Fair enough?!

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