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Special Character IDN Domains Discuss novelty IDN Domains, Special Character Domains & Digbat Domains.. This is only for IDN Domains that can be typed with the same character set or single character dingbat domains. We do not allow IDN domains that look like an existing domain & may be used for IDN spoofing or IDN domain phishing.

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Old 26th May 2006, 10:32 PM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Is there anyone on this forum who has a
keyboard typeable symbol domain? (and, if
so, what is the domain and what traffic does
it generate?).

Thanks
That was my point. Some of mine are typeable and none get any traffic yet. I believe I am in the minority.

However, that begs the question. What is the real value of these domains except as collectibles (like baseball cards).

Also, I don't think anyone is going to delete our domains. Don't sweat it. It is a revenue source. Why would they delete them?
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

Plus...

IDN's, all IDN's, work on a "out of the box" version of Apple Surfari.
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Old 27th May 2006, 10:26 AM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Hello,

My name is Joseph Scazzola, I hold both IDN symbols & IDN character domains. My most notable are ©.com and ®.com.
Great to have you here Joseph! I remember seeing ©.com taken in the early days. Congrats to you for not dropping these, as many did in the last few years.
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Old 27th May 2006, 10:49 AM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

Verisign <> ICANN.

"Typeable Symbols" Vs "Untypeable Dingbats."


The verdict isn't out yet, so i would advise caution until the situation clears up - if symbols are worth money, they will be when things clear up, so there's nothing to lose other than $8/year holding fee.
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Old 27th May 2006, 03:06 PM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

Typeability varies among OSes and among input systems.

On the Mac you can type ONSEN and select ♨ instead of the Kanji in the character list.

On the PC, it is difficult to type ¢, while it is trivial on the Mac.

It is easy to type ☺ on the PC, but is impossible to type it in with the Mac.
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Old 27th May 2006, 03:20 PM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Verisign <> ICANN.

"Typeable Symbols" Vs "Untypeable Dingbats."


The verdict isn't out yet, so i would advise caution until the situation clears up - if symbols are worth money, they will be when things clear up, so there's nothing to lose other than $8/year holding fee.
With symbol-based valuations there are many
aspects to consider. For some owners, they
should be focused solely on the $8 reg fee and
put it down to 'one of those things', if they ever
let their symbols drop or they get deleted.

At the other extreme, there are those who would
be unwise to let their 'symbols' go for any less
than $1mn+. There are many variables and possibilities
to consider here, not least of which is the potential to
create a wholly unique (and compelling) corporate
brand.

Think about it folks.. have you ever heard the saying
'a picture can say a thousand words'?.. And what
about the future of IDN, do you really think software
manufacturers are going to just 'leave it there', once
the IDN 'genie' has escaped from the bottle?...

And isn't it possible that in the future you could licence
your symbols' image (or visual representation, incl. '.com')
to a much larger company, as it is the defining symbol for
their industry (and they want/need to use it).

Oh, and what about subsequent browser versions??

Those of you who have an understanding of what rarity,
branding, and value is really about would be wise to
chat with Joseph and/or myself now.
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Old 27th May 2006, 03:25 PM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

Well, knowing that symbols are actually prohibited under ICANN rules, and still offer them for sale for $1 mln? Well done!
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Well, knowing that symbols are actually prohibited under ICANN rules, and still offer them for sale for $1 mln? Well done!
Touchring, that is not correct; ICANN, have not
'prohibited' symbol-based domain names, their
current intention is only seek to restrict there
numbers.

ICANN's current/latest advice suggests they do
not want symbol-based domains to continue to
be registered, and they even outline how such
domains can continue to be used (incl. DNS
changes, etc..).
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Old 27th May 2006, 03:49 PM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Touchring, that is not correct; ICANN, have not
'prohibited' symbol-based domain names, their
current intention is only seek to restrict there
numbers.

ICANN's current/latest advice suggests they do
not want symbol-based domains to continue to
be registered, and they even outline how such
domains can continue to be used (incl. DNS
changes, etc..).

IC. So do you mean that ICANN wants to prohibit future registration? All this is getting confusing. There is a big difference between stopping registration and prohibition.

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IC. So do you mean that ICANN wants to prohibit future registration? All this is getting confusing.
Yes, that is right. Of course, language-based
IDN's will remain unaffected; this thread only
concerns symbol-based IDN's, and IETF's recent
recommendation to ICANN that they be
'eliminated'.

Best regards
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Hello,

My name is Joseph Scazzola, I hold both IDN symbols & IDN character domains. My most notable are ©.com and ®.com.

I have held these names since they where in testbed in the bq-- days. I have been working hard develop and get the word out about IDN's.

I was told by Gary Krall of Verisign, in 2003, that when the names where to come out of testbed in mid 2005 there would be no risk of deletion.

Then to find out that they may be deleted is just ludicrous. This type of behavior should not be tolerated!

For some these domains may be curios but I do not see this. When I look at ©.com and ®.com I see successfull websites. I see potential. I would not have spent so much time building and researching categories if I knew they where just going to be deleted.

If this happens and we get hosed I would think it would be a good time to start a class action suit.

Until then we need to draw attention to IDN's. I would suggest starting a letter writing campaign to news papers and your state officials. It is time to make some noise.
1) If you registered as bq-- in the VeriSign testbed, then you would have seen the warnings all over the place that "this is a testbed. All names could be deleted in the future".
2) Who is "Gary Krall"? He works for VeriSign not ICANN. He doesn't control or have any say over ICANN or IEFT policy making. If he said that to you, he shouldn't have.

I sincerely hope you do keep all these names, but any action you take or publicity you drum up needs to be on the basis of considered argument. You need to put a better argument together than "someone at VeriSign told me these names would never be deleted".
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Old 30th May 2006, 05:29 AM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

Agreed, until there is clear indication that the status of symbol domains would in no way compromised in the future, no one should say anything other than, the "status is currently uncertain".
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Agreed, until there is clear indication that the status of symbol domains would in no way compromised in the future, no one should say anything other than, the "status is currently uncertain".
Why are they uncertain? Because certain people have off the record said that they are opposed to them?
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Old 30th June 2006, 05:06 AM
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Re: Symbol Domains Under Threat!

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Until then we need to draw attention to IDN's. I would suggest starting a letter writing campaign to news papers and your state officials. It is time to make some noise.
That doesnt work. Belive me.
What needs to be done if/when the time comes is to commence a legal battle.
in other words SUE THEM!
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