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Old 12th September 2005, 10:07 PM
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.com or .cn? What is worth more?

What are people's opinions in this particular market (China).

Is .com worth more than .cn? What will or what do locals prefer?
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Difficult call that one! But we all know which costs more.

The Chinese are very familiar with dot com and to date the number of high profile site using dot com is much larger than the use of dot cn, which has also been exclusively used by government in PRC.

China takes its extension seriously now and it has been expanding rapidly in the last few months. China also intends or has adopted First Level IDN, ie the bit after the dot in is in local lingo. This will go a long way to help adoption and if Verisign aren't able to resolve the issues around First Level gTLDs which need Multichannel Translation and are therefore more problematic, it will boost dot CNs relative position.

On the other side of things, people might feel more secure in a dot com, which is still administered in the US.

China is also a huge market and it therefore probably has room for both and more besides.

I have put my money on dot com, as I think that will be the best solution. Unless dot CN prices come down a lot, it is difficult to see how dot CN can really compete.

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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

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Difficult call that one! But we all know which costs more.
Actually how much are the prices of the .cn ?
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Cheapest I could find was a $23. Expensive.

I noticed that when you enter an IDN into the input box at domainstate, the subsequent screen displays a checkbox for .cn, but it's always listed as "Taken". This happens even with nonsense domains that are certainly not "Taken".

What gives? Do they not support .cn registrations at this time?
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Don't think registeries outside China can do IDN yet on .CN

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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Hi

I have around 50 .cn IDNs (no .com) and, like Dave, feel
that the market may be large enough to accomodate both.

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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%B9%AB%CB%BE+inurl%3Axn&cl=3
More and more company in China use 中文.cn than 中文.com

All Govment, school and other institution of China will chose 中文.cn than 中文.com
See:http://www.gov.cn/jrzg/2007-04/14/content_582476.htm

All powerful media in China, such as CCTV(cctv.com), xinhuanet(www.news.cn) do not publicize IDN.com, but only IDN.cn
中文.cn = 中文.中国 中文.com != 中文.公司
See:http://www.cnnic.cn/html/Dir/2006/02/27/3619.htm
中文.cn is purely composed by chinese, but 中文.com do not

It is the trends of Chinese IDN. If you have invested in IDN.com, sell it to clear old stock, without terminal user to build site, domain name will lost it's vitality.

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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

.cn gets the push from governments, and is popular among organizations as well, but type-in habits are hard to die, so .com gets most of the traffic.

wait, this is a 2005 thread! :o
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Hilarious!

I guess not much has changed except IE7 and better traffic. No one really knows about .cn vs .com and all is opinion.

.Com is safer and cheaper. That's all we know.
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

what is more amazing, rolf joined in sept 2005, he posted only 41 times! I believe he's still around. :o

that was quick, 2 years has passed, hence the importance of treating IDNing as a hobby rather than pure investment. You don't know how long you need to wait!! :p
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Plenty of old timers like that.

I can't imagine what kind of .cn IDN123 had back in Nov 2005, but my guess is that they are pretty incredible. Anyone know?
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

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Plenty of old timers like that.

I can't imagine what kind of .cn IDN123 had back in Nov 2005, but my guess is that they are pretty incredible. Anyone know?

I remembered that the .cn field was quite tough even in dec 2005, most of the better .cn were registered since 2001 or 2003. Surely there were way more .cn registered than .jp at that time. In the early days, chinese registrars didn't offer idn.com so people went for idn.cn instead. I was told, many people then didn't know that .com supported idn, or "chinese domains", as the chinese call them.

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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

True.

I remember regging my first IDNs in 2001. They were Chinese dot coms, though. Of course I dropped them later after no browser support and no hope of traffic. Expensive toys ($35/yr reg fees back then, maybe it was more for IDN, can't remember). They probably weren't that great, anyway. Can't even remember what they were. Zodiac signs, I think. I copy/pasted several translations and was surprised that most I tried were already registered.

I just looked back at my early regs from 2005. Funny. If I knew then.....

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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

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Plenty of old timers like that.

I can't imagine what kind of .cn IDN123 had back in Nov 2005, but my guess is that they are pretty incredible. Anyone know?
Hi Jerry, It's Richard; I was using the idn123 sign-up back then, and if I remember rightly, I was banned from the forum (at around that time) for disagreeing with someone. lol.
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Sorry, bro. My blonde moment.

Glad you are back.

And stop being so disagreeable! :p

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And stop being so disagreeable! :p

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Hope you are well Jerry. Interesting little thread here, and still quite topical today!
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

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If you have invested in IDN.com, sell it to clear old stock, without terminal user to build site, domain name will lost it's vitality.
I have just learned of a bailout program which will assist members to "clear old stock" on your Chinese .com and
reimburse your reg fees 100% regardless of how many years you have paid. We will even help out those "stuck" with
Chinese idn registered since 2000' and 2001'. It's as simple as pm'ing your Chinese.com lists to me!!
This offer may be withdrawn at any time so send those lists today.

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I have just learned of a bailout program which will assist members to "clear old stock" on your Chinese .com and
reimburse your reg fees 100% regardless of how many years you have paid. We will even help out those "stuck" with
Chinese idn registered since 2000' and 2001'. It's as simple as pm'ing your Chinese.com lists to me!!
This offer may be withdrawn at any time so send those lists today.
I have also heard there is be a similar 'bailout' program running for Chinese.cn!... So, send me your .cn lists today and i'll see what I can do!!
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

Well I can't recall anyone spending 4 figures on a dot CN, let alone 5, which dot Coms have achieved. Still big money ain't always smart money.

I won't get the Chinese market until they all stop registering with the express intention of selling them onto me. A rational market is where they use their local knowledge to acquire here and sell on to Chinese residents, not the other way. Seems to me there is precious little belief amongst Chinese people as to the validity of their own language. Before anything goes anywhere that at least has to change!
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Re: .com or .cn? What is worth more?

I've sold 3 .cn domains this year at 4 figures and 1 at 5 figures. And that's just my sales.

Majority of them are/were high profile members on this forum but requested to remain anonymous.


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Well I can't recall anyone spending 4 figures on a dot CN, let alone 5, which dot Coms have achieved. Still big money ain't always smart money.

I won't get the Chinese market until they all stop registering with the express intention of selling them onto me. A rational market is where they use their local knowledge to acquire here and sell on to Chinese residents, not the other way. Seems to me there is precious little belief amongst Chinese people as to the validity of their own language. Before anything goes anywhere that at least has to change!
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