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New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/low...s/20090902.htm

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I fully expect that ICANN's plan to roll out unlimited new gTLDs starting early next year will create chaos, with consternation among confused consumers, anger among trademark holders who will have to spend more to protect their marks in new extensions, and turf battles between warring parties competing to operate the higher profile new gTLD registries. What I haven't been expecting is to see chaos start breaking out now - many months before the world will actually see a new gTLD in operation. The lawsuits have already started flying. Word today came that one of the premier companies planning to compete in the new gTLD space, Minds + Machines, has filed suit against their partner in the quest to obtain .food - famous chef Wolfgang Puck and his wife Gelila.

In a statement posted on the Minds + Machines website, CEO Antony Van Couvering gave an account of what led his company to go on the offensive, writing "On Thursday last week, Minds + Machines received a letter from Daniel Petrocelli of O’Melveny and Myers, the trial lawyer who represented Jeffrey Skilling of Enron. On behalf of Gelila and Wolfgang Puck, Mr. Petrocelli claimed that the Pucks have the right to co-invest in most of our business endeavors, and that their introductions to some celebrity acquaintances entitle them to 50% of some of Minds + Machines’ business endeavors. Yesterday, in Federal Court, we filed suit against Gelila and Wolfgang Puck, asking the court to declare that their claims are frivolous, and that they do not have a right to participate in our non-.FOOD projects. Apparently Gelila Puck is convinced the new gTLDs are going to produce a vast fortune and she wants a bigger share of the pie. An article at Gawker.com about the lawsuit noted that the suit says she has been telling people she will be "the next Bill Gates." All I can say is that if this is true, the poor woman is in for a horribly rude awakening. She might want to look into how many new billionaires were created by the first round of new gTLDs (.biz and .info). Hint: You can count them on less than one finger.

Lady Puck isn't the only one suffering from illusions of new gTLD grandeur. As Andrew Allemann noted at Domain Name Wire just yesterday, the .Sport Policy Advisory Council (who wants to see a .sport TLD) sent ICANN a threatening letter warning against giving anyone else an extension related to any sport! This even though no one, including them, has been awarded any extension yet. Even so, these people had the audacity to tell ICANN the following (my comments are in red) "we emphatically oppose any diminution of .SPORT (how can something that doesn't even exist be diluted?!) and will take all steps necessary to ensure that the top-level domain for our sector is properly protected. (sounds like a lawsuit threat even though these people don't own an extension to begin with!) We are concerned that ICANN may be prematurely entertaining a process that will allow proliferation of names in sub-categories or individual sports which will lead to confusion in the marketplace of users (in other words, no one else can own .football, .baseball. etc. because these clowns think they have some pre-ordained right to own everything). We cannot accept ICANN approving any applications for top-level domains that could diminish the solidarity implied with .SPORT" (Huh!? Wait a minute...you can't accept ICANN approving any applications....! Fellas - your application hasn't been accepted either! You might want to wait until that little hurdle is crossed before you issue further orders telling ICANN what they can and cannot do).

This is amazingly misguided stuff. I have felt from the beginning that ICANN was opening a can of worms with this whole unlimited new gTLD process, but I don't think they have any idea of what is in store for them. This is Pandora's Box on steroids. One very prominent domain developer told me he thinks the new gTLD program will create such a mess that it will lead to the end of ICANN. I scoffed when he first told me that, but with the lawsuits and recriminations already flying at this extremely early stage of the game, I am no longer so so skeptical on that point. It looks like a fiasco is brewing that could create some hurricane force blowback. If that happens, I wouldn't want to be the entity that loosed this Frankenstein's monster on the Internet. END ARTICLE
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

Check out the allegations in this messy domain/business deal gone awry lawsuit for .food

http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/puck.pdf
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

Sadly enough if this goes through the domain business is pretty much over(??)
Endless amount of extensions and even more so endless amount of domains.
Way more supply than demand and when that happens as we all know - prices fall.
Oh well... If anyone there has a different opinion, please do tell..:
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

Nonsense, there was already the potential for an almost infinite number of domains. All this means is the potentially the quality of domains being registered might improve in the eyes of some. But already we have numerous extension that have gained no traction, and it is likely that vast majority of new extension will also gain little traction.

It is also quite clear that .sport will go to those with the deepest pockets, as it will be auctioned.

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Sadly enough if this goes through the domain business is pretty much over(??)
Endless amount of extensions and even more so endless amount of domains.
Way more supply than demand and when that happens as we all know - prices fall.
Oh well... If anyone there has a different opinion, please do tell..:
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

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Sadly enough if this goes through the domain business is pretty much over(??)
Endless amount of extensions and even more so endless amount of domains.
Way more supply than demand and when that happens as we all know - prices fall.
Oh well... If anyone there has a different opinion, please do tell..:
All it tells me is that people "investing" in stupid domains like .cc and .ws and .blah .blah .blah have been totally wasting their time and cash.

And never forget, good domaining has always been about quality never quantity. As RD points out, virtually endless numbers of domains have been with us for quite a while, especially since the length of .com domains was increased to 26 chars.

No matter how many more hi-rises you build round the world, the ones overlooking Central Park NY will always be worth stacks of money. Same applies to quality .coms
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

Agree. Even .com typos rock: http://www.thedomains.com/2009/09/01...es-on-my-list/
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

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Sadly enough if this goes through the domain business is pretty much over(??)
Endless amount of extensions and even more so endless amount of domains.
Way more supply than demand and when that happens as we all know - prices fall.
Oh well... If anyone there has a different opinion, please do tell..:


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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

I know Antony and Jothan at M+M....

( the eminem micro-thread being the shizzle....)

They are very stand up guys from my interactions with them.

Very pro IDN as well, since they know that the German dot koln GTLD effort for Cologne will reflect on the dot NYC effort etc.......

re: the Pucks....
the wife's mania of becoming the next 'Bill Gates' is the smoking gun...

As Bugs Bunny would say....

"what a maroon.......


' I like the idea of dot wine, so I own half......'

very new take on IP law....(grin)


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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

>Very pro IDN as well

Jothan's got a few IDN's of his own. I remind him he's a moonie whenever I get the chance.
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

According to the New York Times, Mr. Puck’s lawyer, Daniel Petrocelli, responded to the lawsuit filed by Minds+Machines against Mr. Puck and his wife by stating:

“”"The Pucks remain strongly committed to the .food domain name and are excited about I.C.A.A.N.’s work. When the Pucks asserted their rights in the business they helped create, Minds + Machines and Top Level Domain Holdings filed a frivolous lawsuit thousands of miles from where the parties did their business. The allegations against the Pucks are false, irresponsible, and legally baseless. The complaint was filed to generate false publicity and seek an unfair negotiating advantage. We intend to prosecute Minds & Machines and Top Level Domain Holdings to fullest extent of the law.”"

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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

And the Lawyers and the Judiciary will end up piss themselves.

Neither parties have established any meaningful claim in law nor will they be able to.

It is as ludicrous as me laying claim to the White House Rose Garden.

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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

Aren't these "new" gtld's going out for bid or some organized way to auction them or allocate them?
And does Minds & Machines and/or the Pucks already have the 100% rights to .food?
I did not think the gtld process was that far along into the chaos. :p
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Re: New gTLDs are still Months away, but the Lawsuits have already begun.

I am sorry to have to break this to you but a substantial proportion of your compatriots are total wankers. You need proof?

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And does Mind&Machines/Puck already have the 100% rights to .food or is that still up for grabs?
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