Yeah - just baiting you RD - as know you will not post a list
Although buyers bleating, is not the case (commenting on some expectations, is perhaps what was reality).
Also I know you will never just give me a dumb, blanket, ilogical answer and this is why I do appreciate debates with you.
I agree, that it is not a great idea to post big lists for the reason (and others) you pointed out... really not much point to (so no surprise you didn't post - lol).
I also agree with many of your IDNs, keep them in the piggy in the bank until rates improve (I have told some others this too - as logic is that they some time, they have to met or be above present day ascii rates for the same keyword).
But saying that, do remember to enjoy the bacon while you still can
(i.e. never seen any point of someone being too old to enjoy one's fortune or never spending it to enjoy life)
Prices are a always a balance between buyer and seller, but often people do dream that today's rates are at values higher than their is a true buyers market for (we all want value in the assets we own, but that doesn't mean those assets don't have to stand up to normal value measurements e.g. traffic, current sales, possible earnings of owning a domain/IDN etc. etc.).
I have had one or two occasions where people have over-valued
e.g. a .HK (where price wanted was around 30K and person thought market would move to 100K in next 2 years (as that was prediction of another forum member)... however logic tells me total market population in Hong Kong is 7 million, internet users maybe 3.5 million and traffic 15K per month, in a pretty dead online ecommerce environment and it was also a keyword where traffic was unlikely to grow in that case) - so I firmly believe that the IDN will never be commercially worth what the seller hopes it will.
Another example was a spanish IDN, traffic 22K and price 7K - personally think this was overvalued for the particular keyword as well (sales of similar keywords showed present value was more like US$350).
So I can understand when members of this forum, who understand prices better than the average person, do sometimes get frustrated when something they know would sell for 100USD in the forum if auctioned, gets a quote of 60K.
For myself, where this happens, I use another strategy, which I know will work better than over-investing in the domain itself (so balance of current value, verse usefulness of IDN, verse commercial value IDN can bring).
Just balancing the thread - as their are always two sides to every discussion.
Value is a real market factor, which we can all calculate at today's prices and estimates for the future (are guess-timates - even ascii rates have currently dropped right back from the levels they were at 2 years ago).
Both seller and buyer have the right to take any position they choose of course (and obviously they both do).
Cheers - Asiaplay