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Old 25th October 2009, 04:55 PM
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IDN implementation support

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Old 25th October 2009, 09:54 PM
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Re: IDN implementation support

3. The principle of IDN TLD variants implementation

Two principle of IDN TLD variants implementation are:
o Same DNS resolution to the names under the original IDN TLD and
its variants
o the same names under the original IDN TLD and its variants belong
to the same registrant

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We can only specify some policy to make the
same name under the IDN TLD and its variants to be owned by the same
registrant. The registrant is unlikely to phishing itself via the
name under the IDN TLD and its variants.



Source: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yao...lementation-01
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Old 25th October 2009, 11:08 PM
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Re: IDN implementation support

Just when we all though DNames were dead.
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Re: IDN implementation support

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Just when we all though DNames were dead.
These are sourced from the 4 DNAME emails at bottom of 555's October listing (near bottom), seems there are some bugs to be worked out...or it may not be feasable for all scripts.

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Due to the connection problem, I send the following text message to Ram through SKTPE just before the end of today's meeting. Originally the idea comes from Chinese engineers who believe DNAME is technically invalid for IDN implementation.
1. lower versions BIND do not support DNAME, thus there always be some names using DNAME left for unresolved.
2. The TTL value of DNAME is “0”, which means there is no DNAME record stored in the DNS cache. That may direct each inquiry to IDN TLD root server and knock it down. believe Howard has something to add.
Sincerely, Y Y (Leo)
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For DNAME, our technical teams report is as following.
1. Many DNS applications and Resolvers do not support DNAME. So if dname is used for IDN tld, some domain names will not be resolved by some dname-un-capability resolvers.
2. In implementation, the TTL for DNAME Resource record is 0, which means there will be no cache in the resolvers. So every query has to go to IDN tld top servers. This will cause a big load to IDN tld top DNS servers.
3. DNAME RFC specifies that Resource records MUST NOT exist at any sub-domain of the owner of a DNAME RR. Some DNS administrators may not know it and still configure the RR in the sub-domain of the owner of a DNAME RR, which may lead the failure resolving.
Best Regards, G L
China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC)


李光皓 wrote:
> For DNAME, our technical teams report is as following. Thank you very much for the specific information!
> 1. Many DNS applications and Resolvers do not support DNAME. So if dname is used for IDN tld, some domain names will not be resolved by some dname-un-capability resolvers.
>
Forgive me for not understanding... but the specifications say that a response involving DNAME resolution always includes both the DNAME and a synthesized CNAME. Do you see this not happening?
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> 2. In implementation, the TTL for DNAME Resource record is 0, which means there will be no cache in the resolvers. So every query has to go to IDN tld top servers. This will cause a big load to IDN tld top DNS servers.

Which implementations are these? Are you talking about the TTL of the DNAME or of the synthesized CNAME?
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> 3. DNAME RFC specifies that Resource records MUST NOT exist at any sub-domain of the owner of a DNAME RR. Some DNS administrators may not know it and still configure the RR in the sub-domain of the owner of a DNAME RR, which may lead the failure resolving.
>
This is a configuration error; I assume it's implementation dependent how servers react to this configuration error - whether they give
appropriate warning or just exhibit some unexpected behaviour.
Best Regards, G L
> China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC)

Hi Leo,
I'm forwarding below the comment I received from Alireza of IRNIC re your email.
Siavash
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DNAME itself has TTL, but the CNAME which is derived from the DNAME doesn't have any TTL. look at the example below :

xn--mgba3a4fra.ir. 14018 IN DNAME xn--mgba3a4f16a.ir.
xn--ngb7d.xn--wgb5aqp.xn--mgba3a4fra.ir. 0 IN CNAME
xn--ngb7d.xn--wgb5aqp.xn--mgba3a4f16a.ir.
Alireza

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Re: IDN implementation support

every one of my IDN dot cn's at the
CNNIC whois has 6 variants now.

for 2 years , it was at 4..........

so CNNIC has mastered trad/trad, simp/trad, simp/simp, trad/simp, simp/CN
and trad/CN.

so this DName/ NS procedure must be a CNNIC/ Verisign agreement....

DName server software is Verisign IP/ patents.....


yeah......I'm in Dname shock again.....(grin)......

Can't wait for the Russian screaming on the dot com / dot KOM GTLD issue in late 2010..............
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Re: IDN implementation support

TIna's remarks are at:

http://sel.icann.org/meetings/seoul2...26oct09-en.txt
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Re: IDN implementation support

For us amateurs why will the Russian's be complaining, if you don't mind explaining..
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Re: IDN implementation support

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For us amateurs why will the Russian's be complaining, if you don't mind explaining..
Well, as I understood it the Russians thought their application had been approved and that it would go Live in the Root on Nov 16. I think a lot of people thought ICANN would launch the domains rather than a protracted discussion.
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Re: IDN implementation support

Thanks but I was actually referring to the .com/.kom issue. I assume the Russian's can wait a few months..


"Can't wait for the Russian screaming on the dot com / dot KOM GTLD issue in late 2010.............. "
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Thanks but I was actually referring to the .com/.kom issue. I assume the Russian's can wait a few months..


"Can't wait for the Russian screaming on the dot com / dot KOM GTLD issue in late 2010.............. "
I don't think anyone is right bothered. Verisign will get dot Kom. Anyone who has followed the process and thinks otherwise is deaf, dumb and blind. It looks as though DName style implementation is at least six months away and probably longer. So even if this was assigned to Verisign immediately, it would actually do anything. The problem with Cyrillic.com seems like everywhere else to be one of awareness. Most people just don't know it exists and consequently there is very little type in, but we do know the Russians do type Cyrillic.com and they do get results which is more than they will from Cyrillic.kom.
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but we do know the Russians do type Cyrillic.com and they do get results which is more than they will from Cyrillic.kom.
I think the Russian type the "Cryllic" and the heavy use of opera browser defaults them to .com
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I think the Russian type the "Cryllic" and the heavy use of opera browser defaults them to .com
Just watch the explosion of Opera 10

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Re: IDN implementation support

my point on the com/KOM is :

Russian ignorance = English/US ASCII domainer IDN ignorance


when Verisign gets dot KOM approval via the GTLD process....

Opera 10, IE (9 or 10) , Firefox 4, Chrome 2 ?...........
and all smartphone browsers...Android, RIM, Safari........

it will just simply work.........

the shock of the IDN dot RU owners will be that IDN dot IDN is going to grandfathered.........


Every successful domainer in the ASCII world hypnotized themselves that
IDN dot com's would never have IDN dot IDN variants.

They never read Verisign's whitepaper........or never believed them.

All of the new GTLD wannabee's have no idea that IDN dot com at 1 million reg's........is going to expand rapidly after Verisign gets its 50 to 100
dot com variants.


Chinese domainers know this...Japanese domainers know this.....
It just seems that all the Russian govt PR releases push that dot RU will
unique as the only Russian IDN.IDN.

By 2011, that will simply not be true.
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