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YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/200910...internet_names

Internet set for change with non-English addresses
By KELLY OLSEN, AP Business Writer - Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:58AM EDT

SEOUL, South Korea - The Internet is set to undergo one of the biggest changes in its four-decade history with the expected approval this week of international domain names — or addresses — that can be written in languages other than English, an official said Monday.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN — the non-profit group that oversees domain names — is holding a meeting this week in Seoul. Domain names are the monikers behind every Web site, e-mail address and Twitter post, such as ".com" and other suffixes.

One of the key issues to be taken up by ICANN's board at this week's gathering is whether to allow for the first time entire Internet addresses to be in scripts that are not based on Latin letters. That could potentially open up the Web to more people around the world as addresses could be in characters as diverse as Arabic, Korean, Japanese, Greek, Hindi and Cyrillic — in which Russian is written.

"This is the biggest change technically to the Internet since it was invented 40 years ago," Peter Dengate Thrush, chairman of the ICANN board, told reporters, calling it a "fantastically complicated technical feature." He said he expects the board to grant approval on Friday, the conference's final day.

The Internet's roots are traced to experiments at a U.S. university in 1969 but it wasn't until the early 1990s that its use began expanding beyond academia and research institutions to the public. Rod Beckstrom, ICANN's new president and CEO, said that if the change is approved, ICANN would begin accepting applications for non-English domain names and that the first entries into the system would likely come sometime in mid 2010.

Enabling the change, Thrush said, is the creation of a translation system that allows multiple scripts to be converted to the right address. "We're confident that it works because we've been testing it now for a couple of years," he said. "And so we're really ready to start rolling it out."

Of the 1.6 billion Internet users worldwide, Beckstrom — a former chief of U.S. cybersecurity — said that more than half use languages that have scripts based on alphabets other than Latin. "So this change is very much necessary for not only half the world's Internet users today, but more than half of probably the future users as the use of the Internet continues to spread," he said.

Beckstrom, in earlier remarks to conference participants, recalled that many people had said just three to five years ago that using non-Latin scripts for domain names would be impossible to achieve. "But you the community and the policy groups and staff and board have worked through them, which is absolutely incredible," he said.

ICANN is headquartered in the United States in Marina del Rey, California
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

Its getting much more difficult to ignore these IDN things.:p
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

CNN as well!!!

I saw a 1+ Minutes news story on CNN Main Cable Channel News here earlier this evening - talking about the introduction of IDNs by the beginning of next year (and of course the Seoul meeting).
Very similar to the above coverage actually (and just by chance I saw it really, as hardly ever watch CNN news - lol - but that really got my attention right away!).

Really great to see IDNs getting some serious mainstream News coverage at last - guess is IDN Buzz time!

Cheers All, Asiaplay

PS: as a sideline... I hope Baidu will work out that they must start to present IDNs in something other than punnycode sometime soon (thinking that cn IDN.IDN will have to make them fall into line and go Unicode for URLs in there index - hope so!)...
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

CNN News

http://www.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/11/11/digital.domain/
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

"fantastically complicated technical feature."

Well, not really.
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

Looks like the Duck is not the only one getting pissed off with the delay. Mind you I have little sympathy with Directi. They did FA about implementing IDN.


>> Hi, I'm Bhavin Turakhia. I represent a company called Directi,
well-wishers of the ICANN system, and also a registrar.

No hard feelings with Bret, but, actually, none of us want to hear a
date in 2011, 2012, to be honest. I can say that for certain.

I'm actually more of a fan of numbers. And one of the documents
that I happened to read of the hundreds of documents that were
produced was the cost considerations sheet. I want to actually
provide an addendum. That sort of adds on to the points Adrian
mentioned. There's a number of registry backend providers working on
sort of assisting applicants in this new gTLD space. And they have a
team of three to five people and are burning a million dollars per
annum in staff costs. So that's potentially going to add up to
anywhere between 7 to $10 million per annum in registry backend
providers. You know, I happen to see the cost consideration sheet,
and there's GNSO costs a number of us are volunteering our time and
effort in terms of commenting and assisting on the effort, attending
these meetings. That's probably another 7, $8 million in opportunity
costs out there.

There's a lot of education taking place. ICANN is having these
regional meetings. We're talking governments, we're talking to
private equity players. I know I'm talking to several of them. And
they're attending these meetings and spending anywhere between 7 to
$10 million per annum in understanding --

>>KURT PRITZ: Bhavin, can you slow down for the scribes?

>>BHAVIN TURAKHIA: Sure. Every year of delay means people change.
People in the governments changing, employees and staff and private
equity payers are changing, staff has to be reeducated. Anywhere
between 70 to 100 potential applicants exist today, and people who I
talk to speak of a couple hundred applications. You're looking at a
staff of three to six dedicated people in each of these companies.
That represents anywhere between 45 to $50 million per annum of staff
cost. You add all of this up, add interest cost and you're looking
at about $100 million outside of the 92 that your cost consideration
sheet talks about, that is being spent for every year of delay in
this process.

Which means the ecosystem is going to have to generate an additional
$100 million every year that this process is delayed.

So, you know, I urge you, if you take a look at this room, you know,
this is probably -- I've been to several ICANN meetings -- this is
probably, you know, the most packed I have seen any session in an
ICANN meeting, close to 400, 500 people here at a modest, $300 an
hour. This room has spent $250,000 in this session to hear you say
that the process is getting delayed.

And, you know, I sincerely urge ICANN to consider this, you know,
this cost consideration in their addendum and sort of make sure this
cost has no further delay. Thank you.
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

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"fantastically complicated technical feature."

Well, not really.
The really funny thing is ICANN has done bugger all in the development of most of the IDNA system.
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

The Yahoo article was reposted on JapanToday:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/t...lish-addresses

The comments are interesting.
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The Yahoo article was reposted on JapanToday:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/t...lish-addresses

The comments are interesting.
My favourite:

"If English was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for the interwebs."

I would love to know if they were serious.

I would be interested to know if Jesus actually used the Latin Alphabet. It seems highly unlikely that Hebrew would have been transliterated.
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

I found that comment funny too. Pretty sure it was in jest by the use of the word "Interwebs"

I also found their interest in Klingon amusing.


I found a Japanese article on the Seoul meeting at Asahi.com:

http://www.asahi.com/digital/cnet/CNT200910270042.html

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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

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My favourite:

"If English was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for the interwebs."
That comment is seriously funny on a number of levels, and the poster knows it.

There will be a lot of people in the south of the USA that joke will fly over their heads (a bit like an aeroplane) and the joke is well and truly on them.
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

and another from MIS Asia,
http://mis-asia.com/news/articles/ic...d-domain-names
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

anybody we know? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzROK...eature=related
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Re: YAHOO: Internet set for change with non-English addresses.

well......

the Jesus/ English line....


brought to mind my favorite lines......"Life of Brian"...

"ok ok ....I am your Messiah...now piss off"

at least Mel Gibson for the Passion screed went with Aramaic...


so it is pleasant to shake me head in disgust as an IDNer....
but giggle as a Jewish agnostic....

(grin)

can't wait for the Rev. Moon and 40,000 mega-wedding crowds to chime in...
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