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Old 11th November 2009, 02:54 AM
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кадров ???

кадров ???

relates to 'Personnel' and 'Frame' in English

Anyone have a clue on this one?
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Re: кадров ???

кадр (a singular noun) means "frame", as in a frame of a movie.

кадры (a plural noun) means "personnel", based on the same root as "cadres" in English.

The form you have, "кадров", is a non-standalone form of кадры (grammarians would call it the genitive plural, while what you want, кадры, is called the nominative plural).

In general, Google Translate does a horrible job on Russian plurals, because of the deeply peculiar way that the Russian language declines plurals after numbers. At some point I plan to write a little essay on the subject.

In the meantime, a rule of thumb: Unless the word ends in one of the vowels а, ы, и, я, or (rarely) е, it is probably not a standalone plural (though it may be a standalone singular). Note that й is different than и; standalone plurals won't end in й. Note also that if the word ends in one of these, you're still not out of the woods, because non-standalone words sometimes end in these letters. But at least this rule might help you avoid some clunkers.

I should mention that I'm not a native speaker, so I may have gotten a few things wrong.

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Old 11th November 2009, 06:21 AM
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Re: кадров ???

THanks for the great advice Avtal, It's was strange to see a word like this with two obvious meanings but without knowledge of the grammer, it's easy to mis reg.
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Re: кадров ???

I cannot get my head around all this either, but I have developed two useful strategies.

The first is to translate terms in Google one by one. If the term is primary then you usually get a detailed translation with many of the variations in meaning with their grammatical status. If not then it is likely to be a non-standalone version.

If you then put term in Google and study the search results, it should become clear if it is a standalone term because you will tend to get examples of standalone usage.

Still unclear, then ask a native, but I have to say that is not something I do often.
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Re: кадров ???

Well I traded it in for another, perhaps also a mis-reg:

рублей Now this breaks the above rule that й can't stand alone. So it brings up the question, can the word "dollars" stand alone? Can the word "rubles" stand alone?

Of course ruble was taken a while ago.
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Re: кадров ???

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Well I traded it in for another, perhaps also a mis-reg:

рублей Now this breaks the above rule that й can't stand alone. So it brings up the question, can the word "dollars" stand alone? Can the word "rubles" stand alone?

Of course ruble was taken a while ago.
I find that these currency name domains don't get as much traffic as I had hoped for a few years ago.
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