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ICANN Blog by Tina Dam- Next Generation Internet Users

http://blog.icann.org/2009/11/next-g...nternet-users/


Next Generation Internet Users?
by Tina Dam on November 14, 2009

As we (at ICANN staff) have been preparing for the Fast Track launch, for tomorrow, it was suggested to me that I write a blog post about it. I could have written about all the hard work, the long hours, the aggressive testing of the online system, keeping it simple and yet flexible for all expected participants to find it useful for exactly their purpose. Not to mention the work ahead of us and the already tireless hours put in by so many around the world that if I start listing you I’d run out of space – and how amazing it has been to be a part of this new development

Instead I have decided to post the letter below. Samira is a real person She is a little girl from a village in a developing country. She has one thing in common with many others – she has no access to the Internet (they do have radio). But while her Internet problems start at a different place than IDNs, I am confident that IDNs at some point soon will make it easier for her to learn about the Internet and also make it easier for her to use it. Samira will have to wait for the postal delivery of this letter – but then there is nothing like getting that kind of mail too

Other than that I just like to say that I hope the Fast Track launch goes smoothly, and that it will work favorable for all participants. But most of all I hope that we with this launch will treat IDNs carefully and with the respect it deserves, and that we will continue to work together across time-zones and cultures, because afterall, what is the Internet if it does not work well for many years and users to come.

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Dear Samira,
Tomorrow is BIG BIG day for many people around the world and I decided to share it with you.

I know you have not seen the Internet yet, but as you grow up and you do, maybe you will recall this letter and an exciting time. What is the Internet? Well, it’s like this big box of information, pictures, games – you can read and also write about anything you like. it could be about peasants, your favorite food, toy, and you know what? You can even listen to the radio on the Internet. Only your imagination sets a limit for the Internet. Have you ever looked under water? It’s like an entire new world down there, so different than on land. The Internet is kind of like that – a different world – only bigger and it has information about under-water and land in it….anything you can imagine

And every page on this Internet has an address. You know, just like you know how to explain where you live. It is made that way so that I can tell you an address and you can then go to that address and read my letter to you, or look at a picture I placed there for you to see. All these addresses have only been able to be written in the Roman alphabet….yes sounds a little weird, but that is just all those letters you see me write here.

Guess what happens tomorrow? Countries around the world – your country too – will be able to get a new address on the Internet. The most exciting thing is that this new address can be in almost any letters you like. So you can use your own language for an address for you. Then your friends and family can use that address and see what you are putting on the Internet. So it will be easier for you and everyone you know to remember that address. I think you will be excited when you see how it works.

I know that even though you already know more than one language, you are soon going to begin learning English. English is the language I used to write this letter to you. Languages are so exciting and they change all the time. Sometimes it can be hard to keep up with, but I will tell you more about it in my next letter. Learning another language is amazing and it will help you communicate with people around the world. I have made so many friends around the world who all have helped make the Internet change the way I tried to describe to you. They have all taught me something important about life that I will never forget. But it would not have worked if we did not speak a little bit of the same language. So I really hope that you will be enjoying learning a new language.

You know how you can write your language both by using the Roman alphabet, and also the Arabic one? Well, this Internet change is almost the same thing – now these addresses can be in either alphabet too! And the coolest thing about it is that there is only one to decide which alphabet to use, and that it YOU! It is your choice for you and you alone!

But please keep that in mind when you start using the Internet. Let me know when that is and I will help you get your own address to a place on the Internet, in your language. But remember that I am not able to read or write your language (although I wish) so it may be a little bit difficult for me in the beginning and I will need your help.

With the very best wishes to you and many many others in the next generation of Internet users. I know I am together with many people around the world when I say that I can’t wait to see what you will use it for and how you will change it over time too….
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http://www.idnforums.com/forums/2393...-tina-dam.html (Next generation internet users - Tina Dam)
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LOL....a double dose of Tina D.
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LOL....a double dose of Tina D.
It is amazing but far from surprising that we are finally seeing all this worldwide news articles, videos, interest from locals, blog posts etc. and at amazing quantities.

Seems Russia and China which pushed for that change even more then others are leading with hundreds of news articles each in past month, also hundreds of blog posts each during these last 30 days.
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russia and china ...

average companies and average users ....2 different storylines ....for the next year....


russia.....sunrise....dot ru / ascii only........but the idn RF is dot po

non-automatic mirroring from ascii addresses from the old...or dns mistakes are likely as sites are hosted on 3 urls's ????


china.....dot cn/ dot zhong guo works inside China....when outside ?

and sticker shock from the 1 yuan / ascii.cn 13 c6nts.....to the
$40 dot cn/zhong guo 6 variants......

and the dot gongsi ISP hack vanishing....the PRC gov press will not report or cover...
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It wasn't an ISP hack. It was a hack at the main DNS servers at CNNIC.

Which is why they are pretending it never happened.
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It wasn't an ISP hack. It was a hack at the main DNS servers at CNNIC.

Which is why they are pretending it never happened.
Well, they won't need to pretend much longer.

Removing a single centralized hack should be more straight forward.
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LOL....a double dose of Tina D.
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Re: ICANN Blog by Tina Dam- Next Generation Internet Users

just for the record...

I have used 'isp hack' because David has referred to it like that...

If CNNIC was running it , in its own registry version of a zone file, then
it was always centralized ??? then ISP replicated probably to save on server loads...

ok...

wow.......

this is very legally pertinent.....for Verisign....

proof of its use with log files...for 7 years....
then it vanishes with delegation in a few months....from one line of code...

that will be a huge factor for Verisign to say that gongsi means 'company'
in a full meaning of the term....at the second level...and abandoned.


Verisign will have full rights to prove that gongsi at GTLD is fully under its perview to use or not use......and not a GAC issue but a GNSO issue only.

since the cctld use at its true nature at the second level has vanished, and was "company" and not a true TLD for "com"

Again...verisign's good faith never suing UK for .co at second level or Brazil etc.... for .com.br .......et al ......

At the WTO or WIPO, they would say its vanishing is abandonment, or a recognition that gongsi is being corrected with dot zhong guo only TLD approach.


Chinese autocrats.......will just ignore it as an issue, and pull the code.

so all the gongsi dot cn's........just get immediately grandfathered as
third level idn.idn.idn's or idn.idn.cn....

which they were all along ....in essence...

upon root zone delegation, that would be the only 2 ways they would work.

So Verisign just needs watch it vanish...then submit its 50 language variants all at once....
with proof that there are no confusingly similar issues at top level at all....


more proof in my mind that there is a GTLD fast track that is confirmed at the Dec. board mtg.

It will get tied to a Verisign price increase no doubt....



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more proof in my mind that there is a GTLD fast track that is confirmed at the Dec. board mtg.
If this does happen then the guessing is all over. IDN will no longer be seen as pyrite on a mountain of gold; it will be the mountain and the gold. What are the odds that it will be confirmed by Verising in Dec? I'm wondering.
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If CNNIC was running it , in its own registry version of a zone file, then
it was always centralized ??? then ISP replicated probably to save on server loads...
Yes, of course it replicated down, that's how the DNS system reduces bandwidth usage.

And there's no "was" about it. They still having it running, right now...

####

# dig @203.119.25.5 xn--55qx5d.xn--55qx5d

; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P1 <<>> @203.119.25.5 xn--55qx5d.xn--55qx5d
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19768
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 5
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;xn--55qx5d.xn--55qx5d. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
xn--55qx5d.xn--55qx5d. 7200 IN CNAME protect.cnnic.net.cn.
protect.cnnic.net.cn. 600 IN A 159.226.6.188

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
cnnic.net.cn. 600 IN NS e.cnnic.cn.
cnnic.net.cn. 600 IN NS a.cnnic.cn.
cnnic.net.cn. 600 IN NS b.cnnic.cn.
cnnic.net.cn. 600 IN NS c.cnnic.cn.
cnnic.net.cn. 600 IN NS d.cnnic.cn.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
a.cnnic.cn. 600 IN A 203.119.25.5
b.cnnic.cn. 600 IN A 203.119.26.5
c.cnnic.cn. 600 IN A 203.119.27.5
d.cnnic.cn. 600 IN A 203.119.28.5
e.cnnic.cn. 600 IN A 203.119.29.5

;; Query time: 204 msec
;; SERVER: 203.119.25.5#53(203.119.25.5)
;; WHEN: Wed Nov 18 18:44:15 2009
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 255

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Strange how the destination server appears to be firewalled from outside China

http://protect.cnnic.net.cn
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What are the odds that it will be confirmed by Verising in Dec? I'm wondering.
If anyone missed this, this contains a lot of good info and shows how certain it seems that we will see no delay or minor only delays in the actual time the domains are in the root for IDN ccTLD's and IDN gTLD's.

http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/mee...up-21jun09.pdf

The plan in basic is that if the new ascii gtld's has any further delays (seems it surely will major further delays) then the idn gtld's will also get into a fast track process (likely to include 30-40 idn gTLD's).

Not sure about confirmation but we should know in Dec. if there will be an IDN gTLD fast track and i personally wouldn't bet against one happening.

As for verisign, it may not be direct but this is a clear affirmation of commitments:

>>STEVE DEL BIANCO: Thank you. One follow-up to that. Earlier I
was stating sort of the perspective from the registrant and user group
community. And I would say that, if our plan B included IDN
equivalents of certain Gs on their own fast track, then one litmus test
is to ask, if they embrace the most restrictive and protective elements
of the IRT, you'd have to ask would it prevent a lot of incumbent
registrants, members of mine who happen to have IDN.net or IDN.com or
dot org, anything that would prevent them from getting the same thing
in the IDN equivalent
ends up frustrating the whole purpose of the fast
track. Because, remember, their goal is to quickly -- I gave that
example of bluebridge.net. Their goal is get that whole thing in
Arabic and not have to go to 20 different countries.
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>>OLOF NORDLING: Olof Nordling, ICANN staff, yes. And we're happy
to talk about just about anything. But primary concerns are -- well,
like you say, we're -- I think my primary concern is what do the end
customers really want.
So more of the input of the -- kind of what
Steve is saying, what are others saying from the customer's side?
Because that's really what we're here to serve at the end of the day.

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The second is to avoid characterizing our concern as being about
conflict. You see, conflict is two suppliers vying to get to
someplace. It isn't a conflict. From the standpoint of the
perspective of a customer is, as I called it earlier, it's either a
dilemma or a delay or the inability for an IDN user -- taking
registrants out of it for a second. Let's just say a user. Doesn't
even register. Users are ICANN customers, too. And that IDN user is
suddenly excited that they can have an all IDN. They actually don't
have to do keyboard gymnastics to type in email addresses or type in
URLs, except that they only have a tiny little group of TLDs that are
available, the one or two that got launched in their own country code.
What they really wanted is the full robust Internet experience in IDN
.
So we end up saying, from their perspective, it's not just registrant.
It's end users who aren't going to have the full access to contents.

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Just found this: Contains a list of minimal expectations from the IDNG report.
http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/dra...ft-23jun09.pdf
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>>Just found this: Contains a list of minimal expectations from the IDNG report. http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/dra...ft-23jun09.pdf
Reaffirms that idn.gtld and idn.cctlds will most likely go live into the root at the same time.

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"Further, the GNSO Council made a resolution in January 2009 to assert that “the GNSO Council strongly believes that neither the New gTLD or ccTLD fast track process should result in IDN TLDs in the root before the other unless both the GNSO and ccNSO so agree.”
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