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Old 3rd December 2009, 12:45 AM
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Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

Mike,

Let me use our own plans for IDN versions of .com and .net as an
example. Our current plans that we have communicated to our customers
and others is as follows:
Second level registrants for any .com or .net domain names will have the
right to activate their second-level name for any IDN versions of the
corresponding .com or .net name and no one else will be allowed to do
that.
All second level registrations for IDN versions of .com or .net will be
associated with their corresponding ASCII .com or .net as applicable.
In essence, the result will be that all active second level domain names
for .com or .net (ASCII or IDN) will have the same registrant. For any
that are not activated, they will be unavailable to others.
I don't think there should be any user confusion in the DNS in this
approach. Do you?

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Old 3rd December 2009, 12:57 AM
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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

Chuck: You are mostly correct. First, of all I think it is best to avoid
> the term 'owner'; registrant is a more accurate term. It is not correct to
> say that the holder of an LDH.com would "automatically be listed as the
> owner (registrant) of the corresponding" LDH.IDN_COM. Let me use
> VeriSign.com as an example. VeriSign, Inc. is the registrant of
> VeriSign.com. VeriSign, Inc. would not automatically become the registrant
> of VeriSign.IDN_COM but VeriSign, Inc. is the only one that will be allowed
> to activate the IDN version; no one else could registrer VeriSign.IDN_COM
> even if VeriSign, Inc. has not activated it. BTW, the same principle would
> work for an IDN second level name; it does not have to iniitate with an LDH
> second level registration.
>
>> And is this automatic correspondence only
>> valid for the direct equivalent of the 2nd level name? In
>> other words, I am right in thinking that having EXAMPLE.COM
>> does not entitle me to (IDN-EXAMPLE).(IDN_COM)?
>
> Chuck: Yes.
Otherwise, as I stated in an earlier response to Avri, we would
> be put into a nearly impossible situation of making subjective judgements.
> It is up to the registrant to decide what variations of its name they
> consider equivalent and to register those. Again for example, the fact that
> VeriSign, Inc. is the registrant of VeriSign.com would not mean that only
> VeriSign_IDN.com or VeriSign_IDN.IDN_com would be protected; VeriSign would
> have to register VeriSign_IDN.com or VeriSign_IDN.IDN_com.

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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

VeriSign management is very firmly committed to the
> approach I am describing, otherwise we would not have communicated it
> publicly,
but when it is actually implemented, the fine details will have to
> be worked, so please allow some flexibility in that regard. Also, please
> allow me a small margin of error in case I mistakenly describe some details
> because the approach is a work in progress and my understanding of it may
> not yet be perfect. At the same time, I am confident that I do understand
> the major aspects of the approach enough to describe it as an illustration.
>
> Chuck

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Great find
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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

It is really quite simple:



IF you have "ella.com"

THEN you can have "ella.<COM_in_other_language_also_operated_by_Verisign>"

You do NOT get a translation of "ella" in ".com"




Based on your example:

> I have ella.com

> would i get ella.Hebrew_TLD-of-dotcom ===> YES


> would i have ×××.com ===> NO

> or is that ××××.com ===> NO

> or maybe even ×××××.com ===> NO

(unless of course you registered them separately)



Because I am not sure what ".com" would be in different languages, I will turn
back to my .asia example for the following explanation:



IF you have "ella.asia"

THEN you (and only you) can have
"ella.<Asia_in_other_language_also_operated_by_DotAsia>"

i.e.:

ella.äæ ===(Asia in Chinese)

ella.ããã ===(Asia in Japanese)

ella.ììì ===(Asia in Korean)

ella.àààààà ===(Asia in Thai)

ella.ààààà ===(Asia in Hindi)

...etc.



IF you want "×××.asia" it will be a different registration. As you
correctly pointed out, it is non-unique if you try translations. Also an
important point is that this is no different than what happens today, so there
would be no user confusion (or as chuck corrected to say user confusion would
be minimized... because it would provide a consistent experience)



Whether:

×××.asia == ××××.asia == ×××××.asia



Is a matter of the IDN Language policy for Hebrew under .ASIA (which in fact we
are trying to develop right now for our launch and you are certainly welcome to
provide suggestions :-)) when ".ASIA" launches Hebrew registrations. IF they
are to be considered the same by registration policies, it would be applied to
all <.ASIA_in_different_langauge_also_operated_by_DotAsia>. That is what we
mean by offering the same string for registration only to the current
registrant.





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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

Wow, people doing these meetings still need an explanation of what aliasing is, and why it doesn't apply to 2nd level domains ..... doh

But still, game, set, and match. All that remains now is how the thing is done technically and how registrants paying. Does it look like "one charge per alias"? ie. you can choose to alias your IDN into as many .com variants as you like, but get charged for each one?
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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

This appears, to me so far, to be the closest thing to an official statement on IDN.com becoming IDN.IDNcom and IDN.net becoming IDN.IDNnet. Am I right?
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This appears, to me so far, to be the closest thing to an official statement on IDN.com becoming IDN.IDNcom and IDN.net becoming IDN.IDNnet. Am I right?
Seems to me it is. :D
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YES. Time to upgrade from 9600 baud!
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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

Great, this is the most convincing statement (in the clearest form) to date in favor of what this forum was all about!

Thanks Mike for THE news.

Cheers!

Quote:
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Mike,

Let me use our own plans for IDN versions of .com and .net as an
example. Our current plans that we have communicated to our customers
and others is as follows:
Second level registrants for any .com or .net domain names will have the
right to activate their second-level name for any IDN versions of the
corresponding .com or .net name and no one else will be allowed to do
that.
All second level registrations for IDN versions of .com or .net will be
associated with their corresponding ASCII .com or .net as applicable.
In essence, the result will be that all active second level domain names
for .com or .net (ASCII or IDN) will have the same registrant. For any
that are not activated, they will be unavailable to others.
I don't think there should be any user confusion in the DNS in this
approach. Do you?

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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

Yes.

Straight from the horses mouth.

For .com and .net

IDN.com registrant has all rights to IDN.IDNcom

Nice. Very nice.
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Yes.

Straight from the horses mouth.

For .com and .net

IDN.com registrant has all rights to IDN.IDNcom

Nice. Very nice.
Interestingly, any ASCII.com owner could get ASCII.any-dot-com-in-any-other-language

Not useful for most domains, however I think could be a HUGE BOOST for numeric NNN.coms and NNNN.coms!
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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

"Dot Com is King, IDN.com will be king."

Any objections?

If you are the Registrant of "ibm.com" or "一.com", you will have the rights to activate "ibm.kom" or "一.kom" in Russian extension.

Damn, it's so flexible and convenient!
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"Dot Com is King, IDN.com will be king."

Any objections?

If you are the Registrant of "ibm.com" or "一.com", you will have the rights to activate "ibm.kom" or "一.kom" in Russian extension.

Damn, it's so flexible and convenient!
Some of my dingbats get very good traffic. (Hopefully we will be allowed to keep them, those who own some).

I'd love to see my ★.com in ALL languages! Now that is a real IDN!
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So Rubber Duck had it right all along. Geez...the adamant IDN naysayers at NP/DNF/DS are never going to hear the end of that! :p

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... I think could be a HUGE BOOST for numeric NNN.coms and NNNN.coms!
Agreed!
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Re: Chuck gomes/Verisign/GNSO/IDNG

So know that we know our names are golden all we need is the timeline. Nice announcement before the Dec. 9th meeting. I'm sure we'll get an outline on when gTLD in IDN go live then.

Looking for that bottle of wine...

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So know that we know our names are golden all we need is the timeline. Nice announcement before the Dec. 9th meeting. I'm sure we'll get an outline on when gTLD in IDN go live then. Looking for that bottle of wine... Cheers
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Agreed!
I'd think that Kanji .coms with the same meaning in Japanese and Chinese would also have added value, getting .JapaneseCOM and .ChineseCOM - right? And, you could run two sites, one for each country?
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So Rubber Duck had it right all along. Geez...the naysayers at DNF are never going to hear the end of that! :p
Now it's time for RD to take to the floor again... since Chuck (or VeriSign) has spoken.
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