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China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercrime

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It's also worth noting that CNNIC is now applying to ICANN to run .中国—and plans to apply for .网络 and .公司 whenever ICANN opens up the application process for generic top-level domains. As the Internet's domain name system becomes multilingual, will the Chinese language domain space be hospitable to anybody who is not in total synch with the PRC government? The answer is pretty clear by now: only if non-PRC entities can run Chinese-language top-level domains outside of China. Will ICANN ensure that this will indeed be possible? We don't know yet. ICANN is still formulating the application process for new generic top-level domains, which includes the details of a process by which governments can object to—and potentially block—applications.
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

Again, Rebecca MacKinnon is the first Western Journalist to cover the ICANN/cnnic story in a balanced way..
as she did after Sydney...

I don't doubt that she has a source for CNNIC applying for .网络 and .公司 .
But through the eventual new gtld process.

Verisign may...again may simply go with a gnso/ccnso JIG approved process for variant management and mirroring for existing TLD's to use while the DAG 4 is worked out and the idn cctld's are launched...

and use 2 new characters ...
but the idea that cnnic is going to have a veto on chinese idn gtld's is not going to happen.

if some billionaire in Taiwan wants to own 100 new tld's ....in chinese, 185,000 is good for each...and ICANN will take the money gladly.
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

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I don't doubt that she has a source for CNNIC applying for .网络 and .公司 .
But through the eventual new gtld process.

Verisign may...again may simply go with a gnso/ccnso JIG approved process for variant management and mirroring for existing TLD's to use while the DAG 4 is worked out and the idn cctld's are launched...

and use 2 new characters ...
but the idea that cnnic is going to have a veto on chinese idn gtld's is not going to happen.
Maybe. But I think China could seriously delay the process if they are going to fight for these ext.

I would like to get clarification though that she knows this for a fact.
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

It is a legitimate question that who should have the right to decide the owner/operator of a IDN TLD. Why should those people who do not speak the foreign language make the decision for those people that speak the language? For Chinese IDN, I guess China think they should have more say than ICANN, an American based organization. Other countries may have the similar idea.
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For Chinese IDN, I guess China think they should have more say than ICANN, an American based organization. Other countries may have the similar idea.
First, I'm just going off of what she said. That China is planning on applying for these domains. I still would like clarification as to whether she knows for a fact or is just guessing they are going to.

In light of that. If China is planning on putting up a fight. Which they will. Are they going to try the whole "threaten the internet" (Splitting the root) routine again if they don't get these extensions?
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

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First, I'm just going off of what she said. That China is planning on applying for these domains. I still would like clarification as to whether she knows for a fact or is just guessing they are going to.
China will certainly apply for these TLDs since they are selling them now.
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and use 2 new characters ...
Then what impact would this have on current domain holders? Especially if Verisign introduces new characters and China goes ahead and blocks out anything else but "theirs"?
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

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It is a legitimate question that who should have the right to decide the owner/operator of a IDN TLD. Why should those people who do not speak the foreign language make the decision for those people that speak the language? For Chinese IDN, I guess China think they should have more say than ICANN, an American based organization. Other countries may have the similar idea.
I agree. It was fairly obvious that China would make such a move. It's more difficult to guess what other countries would do or would not do.

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/21549-home-and-dry.html

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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

What I find interesting is porn is illegal in China and regulated heavily on the other hand prostitution is everywhere you look. My guess is that prostitution adds to the economy while porn not so much.
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What I find interesting is porn is illegal in China and regulated heavily on the other hand prostitution is everywhere you look.
Hm that is interesting... How heavy is a jail sentance for prostitution in China? Are we talking a slap on the wrist sentence or prison?
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Hm that is interesting... How heavy is a jail sentance for prostitution in China? Are we talking a slap on the wrist sentence or prison?
Wikipedia open source writings on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...ublic_of_China
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Wikipedia open source writings on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...ublic_of_China
Jeez, they have a wiki page for about everything don't they? lol. Thanks Bill.
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

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First, I'm just going off of what she said. That China is planning on applying for these domains. I still would like clarification as to whether she knows for a fact or is just guessing they are going to.

In light of that. If China is planning on putting up a fight. Which they will. Are they going to try the whole "threaten the internet" (Splitting the root) routine again if they don't get these extensions?
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

mainly the same story without the cnnic info http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc9684f6-e...nclick_check=1 focus on stopping individual registration.
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mainly the same story without the cnnic info http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc9684f6-e...nclick_check=1 focus on stopping individual registration.
Then you've missed the significance of this post entirely. This is the first time a journalist has confirmed in print that China will apply for .网络 and .公司. Two extensions that already are being used as .com and .net within China.

Personally, I see this as a direct challenge from China at Verisign's legitimate rights over the .com and .net. Considering people within China already view these extensions as .com and .net, this really is going to get confusing. I believe that's what China really wants.

I think China wants .中国/.网络/.公司 to be the top extensions within China and Verisign's version of .com/.net as 4th and 5th rate domains. Whether Icann or Verisign will be spineless and allow this to happen remains to be seen.

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It's more difficult to guess what other countries would do or would not do.
Actually it's not. Right now the GNSO is writing their draft for the implementation of top level .IDN introduction. The final draft will be delivered to the GNSO on January 7th. Right now would be the time to speak up if a country wants to challenge Verisign's rights to the .com and .net. China is the only country being as aggressive as they are.

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if some billionaire in Taiwan wants to own 100 new tld's ....in chinese, 185,000 is good for each...and ICANN will take the money gladly.
This has no comparison to what China is trying to do. If China were applying for .北京 it would be a different story. But they are aggresively going to go after the .com and .net.

Not fear-mongering as I have Chinese names and want them to do well. I'm just saying as a matter of fact. "This is going to get interesting."
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Re: China Tightens Internet Control in the Name of Fighting Porn, Piracy, and Cybercr

As the policy is being developed at the current time, there is no indication that it will contain anything that would enable China to do this. If it ain't in the policy then even Johavah himself ain't going to get the name.

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Then you've missed the significance of this post entirely. This is the first time a journalist has confirmed in print that China will apply for .网络 and .公司. Two extensions that already are being used as .com and .net within China.

Personally, I see this as a direct challenge from China at Verisign's legitimate rights over the .com and .net. Considering people within China already view these extensions as .com and .net, this really is going to get confusing. I believe that's what China really wants.

I think China wants .中国/.网络/.公司 to be the top extensions within China and Verisign's version of .com/.net as 4th and 5th rate domains. Whether Icann or Verisign will be spineless and allow this to happen remains to be seen.



Actually it's not. Right now the GNSO is writing their draft for the implementation of top level .IDN introduction. The final draft will be delivered to the GNSO on January 7th. Right now would be the time to speak up if a country wants to challenge Verisign's rights to the .com and .net. China is the only country being as aggressive as they are.



This has no comparison to what China is trying to do. If China were applying for .北京 it would be a different story. But they are aggresively going to go after the .com and .net.

Not fear-mongering as I have Chinese names and want them to do well. I'm just saying as a matter of fact. "This is going to get interesting."
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As the policy is being developed at the current time, there is no indication that it will contain anything that would enable China to do this. If it ain't in the policy then even Johavah himself ain't going to get the name.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. That's why this draft is SO important and what it contains and how fast it will be implemented will determine the fate of .IDN gtlds within China.

I just hope the gnso realizes this and doesn't piss around. The time, if ever, to act, is now!
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Whether Icann or Verisign will be spineless and allow this to happen remains to be seen.
The fact China has been duping it's citizens that they are actually buying .公司 when they register a domain is borderline criminal, and creates a huge f*cking mess for someone to clear up.

If Verisign/ICANN bend over on this one, it is sending the message that "don't worry you can create an alternate root and by default inherit a slice of the real root later on" - as being deceptive in the first place, somehow gives them a god given right before anyone else.

it is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out - that's for sure.
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Considering people within China already view these extensions as .com and .net, this really is going to get confusing.
I do not think people within China view .公司 as .com and .网络 as .net. Most people think .com or .net are just used for websites.

VeriSign did not invent or discover .com. I doubt people who named .com have applied any IP right for it. What VeriSign has is a contractual relationship with ICANN to operate .com. If that contract ends and ICANN sign it with another company, VeriSign will have nothing to do with .com.
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I do not think people within China view .公司 as .com and .网络 as .net. Most people think .com or .net are just used for websites.
Judging from my recent & previous visits to China most people,even those in senior marketing positions, are not even aware of IDN.
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