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Old 24th December 2009, 01:42 PM
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显示.net

I have a new IDN and I look for your opinion in this one.

显示.net means show.net in chinese

Here is the link to idn.bz: http://idn.bz/rate.php?keyword=%E6%9...4%BA&language=

What do you think about it ? Thanks!
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Re: 显示.net

I also get "to display" or "to demonstrate" or "to monitor". 277M Google results.
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Re: 显示.net

Yes, someone explained to me that this is a verb ( what I have ), I am not a native chinese speaker, but I think after all is a good domain

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Re: 显示.net

Yeah - the hint is here - see http://us1.mdbg.net/chindict/chindic...98%BE%E7%A4%BA
i.e. in the fact that "to" appears in front of every word

Cheers - Asiaplay

PS: I personally prefer nouns, rather than verbs when buying IDNs / domains...
(I know a couple of other guys are the same here for Chinese IDNs) - but that is a choice thing only really (verbs and nouns logic, is the same in English as it is in Chinese - so if you would buy one for English, then why not buy one for Chinese ).
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Re: 显示.net

Thank you Asiaplay, but what you guys think about it's value ?
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Re: 显示.net

I think this domain is so-so. The dictionary definition Asiaplay linked to is accurate, that it is a verb and not a noun.

It's low Baidu index is also a tell tale sign. Notice the related searches are nouns using your keyword.

Baidu images return a mix of images.

Personally, I wouldn't use idn.bz to evaluate Chinese IDNs. The Google/Yahoo results and dictionary definition are all misleading.
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Re: 显示.net

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...Personally, I wouldn't use idn.bz to evaluate Chinese IDNs. The Google/Yahoo results and dictionary definition are all misleading.
I would have to agree 100% with zaclondon on this point - it seems that idn.bz is too heavily weighted in Google being correct for a translation (i.e. where reverse translation is confirmed, a word it jumps in value and if it is not, then it shows a very low value) - likewise it is too heavily weighted for competition volumes... where verbs will often get a higher occurance in competition volume, compared to nouns (as verbs are used more often i.e. with several nouns... which also throws out idn.bz results for verbs).
Unfortunately, this doesn't work for Google translation, which although being a great tool and the best attempt I have seen so far for auto translation for Chinese online, is inaccurate, just too high a % of the time for Asian languages.
I think upto perhaps 90% of my Asian IDNs would be a in the "no buy" category, if I used that as the basis - while some Chinese words that get a high value, to any native speaker, would never be of any commercial interest.

Additionally, search volume figures on Baidu and google, I feel really should always be checked - they are not 100% accurate, as we all know, but they are a very, very good indication of what people actually have interest in and are searching for (so if "exact" match search volume is low, this indicates that the term is basically never searched for, possibly incorrect or just not useful).
As zaclondon points out, "generally" you want to see image searches for a term, to be a match generally across the board (as otherwise it suggests you have a term that is so scattered in use, that is would be hard to target commercially at all).

Baidu is showing around 120 searches per day (3600 per month) for "显示", which is very low for a verb, given the number of net users for Chinese (even a low level noun would be higher than this) - see http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?word=%CF%D4%CA%BE ... nor do I see this term as being great for use as a brand name / brandable domain name, so I wouldn't bother with it myself.

I hope comments help...

Happy Christmas and cheers - Asiaplay

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Re: 显示.net

Thanks for the quick info, Merry Christmas!
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Re: 显示.net

Thanks for the review Asiaplay. That's the best I can do with the tools available.

As always, I am open to sugestions on how to improve it, namely on some better translations for Asian IDNs. If you know of any tool, please advise, I am already using Google's, Microsoft's Bing and Yahoo's Babelfish. The main reference is Google for all languages, maybe I should change that to some languages?
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Re: 显示.net

Hi Jose,

Welcome back Jose and Merry Christmas...

Pleasure Jose... and I should add that you have done a great job setting up the idn.bz tool - so please note that was not a complaint in any way at all
(really it is just the fact,, that other online tools are still not generally great yet, for Asian languages... so it is hard to make a good Asian IDN valuation tool at the moment, based on other online tools).

However saying this, I do still like the data it shows already (outside of the value)

Really the collection / analysis of Google "Exact" Search Volume data (ex G Adwords) would be good for analysis - but I understand that is harder to program into the site, due to the captha needed etc. (as competition data is almost not relevant for Chinese, due to even errors or a brand name, often getting not low volumes).

Otherwise for Chinese the mdbg dictionary is not bad as a basis - as I see it as being one of the better online dictionaries for English to Chinese to English (but I am not sure how easy any one term, is to one match on this type of dictionary and get term related value, to rate on i.e. http://us1.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php ).

Partly the reason I didn't suggest anything in my initial post, is as I am not sure what can be done better apart from what I just suggested above (and I also know those two could take a reasonably high level programming and a reasonable amount of effort and time to do - so I don't expect you to spend your time on that, unless it fits in with your own priorities... for myself, I can use manual methods to evaluate anyway, so it is less issue for me personally).

Cheers - Asiaplay

PS: the other area of valuation, is of course cultural choice of words, cultural relevance of terms for a country and language - as well as barriers to market entry for different industries within any language markets (e.g. meat, porn or medicine in China or coffee in Italy etc. etc.) - this will always be very hard to auto build into any online auto valuation system.
But what you have done is a nice basis for data to help people follow up and research more...

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Re: 显示.net

MDBG dictionary included. Example: http://idn.bz/rate.php?keyword=xn--i...language=zh-CN

Search results are included, although the data is not coming from the Adwords API, as I would have to pay for each request.
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Re: 显示.net

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MDBG dictionary included. Example: http://idn.bz/rate.php?keyword=xn--i...language=zh-CN

Search results are included, although the data is not coming from the Adwords API, as I would have to pay for each request.
Of interest where are the search volume traffic figures coming from then?

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: I think this might be the core issue for estimating value, as in a few tests I ran for Asian IDNs, google is showing exact match of 300,000+ per month and idn.bz shows a traffic figure of 65 to 120+ only.
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Re: 显示.net

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MDBG dictionary included. Example: http://idn.bz/rate.php?keyword=xn--i...language=zh-CN

Search results are included, although the data is not coming from the Adwords API, as I would have to pay for each request.
How about scraping Baidu Index? I'm thinking of doing the same.
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Of interest where are the search volume traffic figures coming from then?

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: I think this might be the core issue for estimating value, as in a few tests I ran for Asian IDNs, google is showing exact match of 300,000+ per month and idn.bz shows a traffic figure of 65 to 120+ only.
Its a secret, hehe. But I can tell you IT IS coming from Google! You have to multiply it for 1000, if you want to compare to Adwords estimator. You see, the value on idn.bz is type-ins and not search value. With an exact search of xxxxx you would get xxx type-ins monthly.
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How about scraping Baidu Index? I'm thinking of doing the same.
You mean getting the values from there? Yes, its on my to do list. I already coded the scraper for doing it. I just have too problems with that:

1. Just like Yandex, they might change it to CAPTCHA every day now.
2. Don't know yet how to balance the valuation algorithm against other languages, because the input values will be coming from different sources.

When I coded it, I thought about just posting it as an extra info, with no influence on the algorithm. I tested it and was making the results take more 3 to 5 seconds to appear, in order to show something you already get with a click of a button (The Baidu page link for each term is there already)

Not an easy choice.... What say you?!
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Re: 显示.net

@Jose,

Nice - typeins excluding advert clicks, if I got the jist of what you said
(i.e. I assume you mean adword traffic, less adsense clicks... )

Cheers - Asiaplay

PS: wondering why shows only 18 to 32% being typeins for one kw term I just tested (would have thought more would be typeins.. umm... interesting - please do explain more to me on PM if you like (I would be interested to know!)
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Re: 显示.net

i'll drop it, there are plenty of .com nouns which you can buy for $xx or catch. you could end up renewing it for 4 years, and it will cost $30 bucks.
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Re: 显示.net

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1. Just like Yandex, they might change it to CAPTCHA every day now.
I plan to cross that bridge when and if it happens.

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2. Don't know yet how to balance the valuation algorithm against other languages, because the input values will be coming from different sources.
My IDN/domaining angle is more niche/keyword based, so I put a higher value on seach volume.


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When I coded it, I thought about just posting it as an extra info, with no influence on the algorithm. I tested it and was making the results take more 3 to 5 seconds to appear, in order to show something you already get with a click of a button (The Baidu page link for each term is there already)
It would be good if Baidu Index is integrated into your appraisal value. Not sure what you can do to improve speed. Perhaps show a 'busy' page while it's loading?

I'm also a programmer so we seem to have much in common. I'll PM you for potential collaboration.
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Yeah whatever, please discuss this in another thread or via pm ... this thread was made about an appraisal for my domain name, GOD
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Re: 显示.net

Cipcip,

Your appraisal was done - there will be no more comments on that domain here... if you haven't learned anything yet, you won't learn anything more from more comments!

So what's the problem with others discussing this issue volume issue here (which was possibly the basis of your error anyway)?

But to be honest, this thread was over before your comment, as I know Jose will never tell me anymore anyway (and you are obviously not interested in knowing anymore, with this newbie outburst - so I will remember that next time you ask a question or for comments on an appraisal!).

All the best with IDNs in the coming year...

Cheers - Asiaplay
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