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DNAME analysis

Tina Dam speaking on the GNSO council teleconference on DNAME:
"Certain things have changed technically wise and may make it appropriate for that to be reopened and take a look at that again"

To listen go to: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Click MP3 on Jan 7th.
The part on DNAME is on 1:13:00

Agenda: http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/agenda-07jan10-en.htm
Final Report: http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-g...03dec09-en.pdf
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Re: DNAME analysis

pardon my ignorance, but what's the meaning of this ?
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pardon my ignorance, but what's the meaning of this ?
DNAME was the holy grail of "aliasing" idns. Instead, it appears we are getting Mike's Alias Quick Fix. :p


http://www.icann.org/en/announcement...ld-12dec05.pdf
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Re: DNAME analysis

This surely makes RD happy.
Note, RD has always been in supportive of DNAME.
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Re: DNAME analysis

Anyone who is prepared to troll through hours and hours of dull ICANN video, audio and transcript for anything to do with IDN surely has no social life whatsoever.

We need to get you to somewhere with a pole in it, other than a fire station.
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Anyone who is prepared to troll through hours and hours of dull ICANN video, audio and transcript for anything to do with IDN surely has no social life whatsoever.

We need to get you to somewhere with a pole in it, other than a fire station.
:D Actually Michael has been providing a massive service by allowing those who are interested to focus in on the key issues without hours of trolling.

It also highlights the difference between a serious professional domainer, and those kids at Namepros that just maxout mummy's credit card because they have a nice warm feeling about a given extension or class of hacks or typos.
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:D Actually Michael has been providing a massive service by allowing those who are interested to focus in on the key issues without hours of trolling..
Indeed hats off to Michael for finding the needles in the haystacks.
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Re: DNAME analysis

re: Bill and David...
yes Michael ..thank you for the time line in the mp3 file ..

re: Tina
I guess Verisign has new cache / h/w / replication tech.

dname/mapping/aliasing ....whatever ...

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Re: DNAME analysis

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DNAME was the holy grail of "aliasing" idns. Instead, it appears we are getting Mike's Alias Quick Fix. :p


http://www.icann.org/en/announcement...ld-12dec05.pdf

Thanks. I read it and it was very helpful. However, I still have question as to exactly what has changed.

Specifically, what was the reason that Dname was found not appropriate in the first place? And what exactly happened between then and now that was changed techically so that now it may be appropriate?

(Sorry, I haven't been paying much attention to idn til recently... so maybe a little history on this will help alot. btw, I googled it but really could not find any specifics on this.)
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Thanks. I read it and it was very helpful. However, I still have question as to exactly what has changed.

Specifically, what was the reason that Dname was found not appropriate in the first place? And what exactly happened between then and now that was changed techically so that now it may be appropriate?

(Sorry, I haven't been paying much attention to idn til recently... so maybe a little history on this will help alot. btw, I googled it but really could not find any specifics on this.)
The biggest problem is that the US Internet is largely legacy hardware that won't handle IDNs. Not sure why anyone is worried as they will probably never need to. But you are talking about a still apparently powerful nation that is paranoid that somehow they will lose access to Internet pages that they never ever went to and couldn't read in any case. The only real hope is more adult literacy support, but Obama's stimulus does not apparently include a Cash for Dummies program. Perhaps they simply couldn't afford it.
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The biggest problem is that the US Internet is largely legacy hardware that won't handle IDNs.
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The biggest problem is that the US Internet is largely legacy hardware that won't handle IDNs
u mean software w/ unicode encoding?
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The biggest problem is that the US Internet is largely legacy hardware that won't handle IDNs.
Don't worry, everyone will be buying those new IDN Keyboards pretty soon.
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u mean software w/ unicode encoding?
Some of the older serves cannot do DNAMES. They would have to be set up to do CNAMES and just wouldn't handle it very well. If put under significant demand they would slow to a crawl. Most of the stuff installed in Asia where it actually matters are all brand spanking new by comparison. It is all down to the US being pioneers, but they have the oldest equipment. But it is again Americans expecting to be able to do stuff that in practice they wouldn't do anyway.
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Thanks. I read it and it was very helpful. However, I still have question as to exactly what has changed. Specifically, what was the reason that Dname was found not appropriate in the first place? And what exactly happened between then and now that was changed techically so that now it may be appropriate?

(Sorry, I haven't been paying much attention to idn til recently... so maybe a little history on this will help alot. btw, I googled it but really could not find any specifics on this.)
As I understand it, during the testing period DNAME had some technical problems with a very small percentage of idns, so it has not been adopted across the board. You might want to search "dname testing" and see if there is anything new out there. The direction things seem to be going is if you own idn.com, you will be able to pay to "activate" the idn.com(idn) version which will basically be a seperate domain in the root.

Originally Posted by jacksonm a year or so ago as a possible solution (which now appears to be the direction things are heading):

Verisign is awarded and delegated new namespaces for tens of extensions which equal dot com in various languages, and they create empty zonefiles in their DNS for all the new namespaces. Verisign extends the registrar API (small modification to the registrar's interface to the registry) so that a domain owner can choose the aliases he wants to pay for. After he pays, the command is sent to the registry to add NS records to each of the zone files that the person just paid for.
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Re: DNAME analysis

I think it may also be that DNAMES would work if confined to a subset of Servers that are specifically designed to cope with them. I think Individual Registries will opt to do DNAMES at some point in time. It is important to note that ICANN only controls the Naming System, they do not control the Internet. Some of these decisions are outside their jurisdiction.

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As I understand it, during the testing period DNAME had some technical problems with a very small percentage of idns, so it has not been adopted across the board. You might want to search "dname testing" and see if there is anything new out there. The direction things seem to be going is if you own idn.com, you will be able to pay to "activate" the idn.com(idn) version which will basically be a seperate domain in the root.

Originally Posted by jacksonm a year or so ago as a possible solution (which now appears to be the direction things are heading):

Verisign is awarded and delegated new namespaces for tens of extensions which equal dot com in various languages, and they create empty zonefiles in their DNS for all the new namespaces. Verisign extends the registrar API (small modification to the registrar's interface to the registry) so that a domain owner can choose the aliases he wants to pay for. After he pays, the command is sent to the registry to add NS records to each of the zone files that the person just paid for.
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Re: DNAME analysis

Sorry I would like to explain to me what's this one?
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I think it may also be that DNAMES would work if confined to a subset of Servers that are specifically designed to cope with them. I think Individual Registries will opt to do DNAMES at some point in time. It is important to note that ICANN only controls the Naming System, they do not control the Internet. Some of these decisions are outside their jurisdiction.
DNAME works at the tld level, correct? What is proposed now would be done at the database level (backend) on a case by case basis and is certainly more bulletproof. Also allows Verisign to charge for the service as well.

There was speculation that perhaps the solution was to just catch the domain names that would not fly under DNAME and deal with them on a one by one basis. This was thought to be a very small percentage so it would be manageable.
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DNAME works at the tld level, correct? What is proposed now would be done at the database level (backend) on a case by case basis and is certainly more bulletproof. Also allows Verisign to charge for the service as well.

There was speculation that perhaps the solution was to just catch the domain names that would not fly under DNAME and deal with them on a one by one basis. This was thought to be a very small percentage so it would be manageable.
No DNAMES can be run not only Servers that direct queries to the Registeries, but on any Server that is capable of running the Software that supports the Commands. You could probably run it on your own Company Intranet if you knew what you were doing.
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