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Old 18th January 2010, 04:35 AM
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I am going the thinking .jp will be more popular than .com over time, although i wonder if the japanese remember all the symbols ? ... that's the bit that worries me , i guess i mean i imagine a billbord with a internet address on it in japanese symbols , would they know what it meant i wonder by just looking

Yeah, they have got to memorize the characters in elementary school starting with their own names.
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Old 18th January 2010, 05:16 AM
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Err .... if I read you correctly, you are really asking if Japanese people can remember Japanese symbols???

If so, please ignore my post above about Thai because I don't think you are quite ready to advance beyond "IDN 101" yet .....

I did misunderstand you right? I can't quite believe anyone would ask whether Japanese people could remember their own language ..... but yikes, it certainly reads like that to me. Please correct me ASAP ..........
You guys need to mellow a bit , i am asking simple questions , and dont really like way you guys are answering , the way i read the earlier parts of the post was on the keyboard , they type in letters for a word which are then converted in to symbols/characters (idn.bz uses the term symbols) so my way of thinking if every word becomes a character then it is a lot to remember , why wouldn't i ask that , in english we type a word and it does not change , so to me this is quite different

Help is appreciated , but attitude is not , you seem to have been studying this for a while , me on this forum for one week and already put off asking any more questions , thanks anyway but i'll leave it at that , hoo roo (aussie for see ya )
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... a billbord with a internet address on it in japanese symbols , would they know what it meant i wonder by just looking
although there are some japanese who can only read the alphabets (hiragana and katakana) and not 漢字 (kanji, chinese characters from the tang dynasty) because of lack of education, i think it is safe for you to assume that your intended audience will be able to understand the 漢字 (symbols).

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Old 18th January 2010, 05:49 AM
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You guys need to mellow a bit , i am asking simple questions , and dont really like way you guys are answering , the way i read the earlier parts of the post was on the keyboard , they type in letters for a word which are then converted in to symbols/characters (idn.bz uses the term symbols) so my way of thinking if every word becomes a character then it is a lot to remember , why wouldn't i ask that , in english we type a word and it does not change , so to me this is quite different

Help is appreciated , but attitude is not , you seem to have been studying this for a while , me on this forum for one week and already put off asking any more questions , thanks anyway but i'll leave it at that , hoo roo (aussie for see ya )
What you are experiencing is a combination of things. By it's very nature educating others requires patience so some of us may be lacking in that department. On your end you will need a bit of a thick skin to endure this impatience. You have already put pride aside and at least are asking questions so I commend you for that. Many are incapable of even getting that far. Also it appeared that you were asking something that seemed self-evident and elementary but I think it is more a failure for us to communicate.

If I understand you correctly you are asking how could anyone possibly remember the many thousands of Kanji required to be fluent in Japanese? Thousands are required since each equals a word or meaning. You are having trouble fathoming this since you only have to remember 26 letters...

The truth is that you too have memorized many thousands of words which are the combinations of these 26 characters. Also there is some logic in the way Kanji are drawn with simpler Kanji incorporated into more complex Kanji. It may seem difficult for you to comprehend but please consider that English is as difficult to fathom for the Japanese. If you put the shoe on the other foot it may look like this:

"All these English 'words' look alike! They are all formed of the same 'symbols'! They don't even follow their own rules! How could anyone understand this?"

Rest assured that to the Japanese, the Japanese language is both intuitive and something to be proud of. All the more reason to have Japanese domain names.
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although there are some japanese who can only read the alphabets (hiragana and katakana) and not 漢字 (kanji, chinese characters from the tang dynasty) because of lack of education, i think it is safe for you to assume that your intended audience will be able to understand the 漢字 (symbols).

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Considering how highly regarded and important education is to the Japanese people, I would expect the number of Japanese who could not read Kanji to be small. Probably insignificant.

Kanji is taught in school beginning in the 6th grade. The first Kanji taught are the simplest and they become more complex as the years go by. You can see them here: Elementary Kanji

From a domianers point of view all of these elementary kanji are quite desireable. I think you will find they are all registered.
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... I would expect the number of Japanese who could not read Kanji to be small. Probably insignificant.
exactly.

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i doubt many english speakers would remember the equivalent of characters to words for the simple fact half the kids don't seem to be able to spell english words these days (bad teachers?) when they leave school
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i doubt many english speakers would remember the equivalent of characters to words for the simple fact half the kids don't seem to be able to spell english words these days (bad teachers?) when they leave school
Haha! Good point. I was discussing this with a friend just last night. He was lamenting how poor his daughter's spelling was. I asked him if she was an avid reader. He assured me that she was but that she had become spoiled by the 'spellcheck' on her Macbook.

I have often lamented the fact that 'penmanship' is no longer taught in schools and the result is that most peoples handwriting (including my own) is atrocious. Same sort of thing. No penmanship required if you type most everything. No proper spelling required if you rely on spellcheck.

Ironically this goes a bit full circle with regards to Kanji. Students are still taught the brushstrokes that make up each character. A Japanese version of penmanship if you will. What this does do is reinforce the logic, flow, and design of the individual Kanji. It has even been elevated to an artform called shodo or shodou (romaji for us gaijin) thus reinforcing it's importance. Some of the things we discard (penmanship) they embrace (shodo).

I came across this which I think may help you to understand why Romaji is so flawed. Be sure to scroll down to the 'Be very careful with Kanji symbols' part. Fujin is not always equal to Fujin! I am particular to this quote: "Just as Japanese people love to use English symbols and phrases on T-shirt, logo or tattoo design, westerners have started using Japanese Kanji Symbols for their own design needs." so just like you may see Kanji commonly as a tattoo and not understand its meaning the Japanese use Latin characters as a sort of 'cool design'. Just because we use them for 'design' does that mean we are 'Turning Japanese'?

Ok, Even the Japanese native refers to them as 'symbols' so I have to give you a point for that one.

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I came across this which I think may help you to understand why Romaji is so flawed.
But my question is will Romaji die? I'm assuming lack of awareness and romanji our worst enemy right now in domain names. Will it go the way of pinyin especially after the release of IDN.IDN? I'm just going from a wikipedia quote.

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The primary usage of rōmaji is on computers and other electronic devices that do not support the display or input of Japanese characters
My understanding and perception is romaji's true relevancy for computers is because modern technology doesn't allow for all Japanese characters. As this is rapidly happening will the Japanese adapt a more Chinese-ish keyboard on their computers; where all these extra steps are really unnecessary? Not to mention looks like a pain in the ass. And it's not a "true" Japanese language. I'm guessing never underestimate Japanese pride.
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But my question is will Romaji die? I'm assuming lack of awareness and romanji our worst enemy right now in domain names. Will it go the way of pinyin especially after the release of IDN.IDN? I'm just going from a wikipedia quote.



My understanding and perception is romaji's true relevancy for computers is because modern technology doesn't allow for all Japanese characters. As this is rapidly happening will the Japanese adapt a more Chinese-ish keyboard on their computers; where all these extra steps are really unnecessary? Not to mention looks like a pain in the ass. And it's not a "true" Japanese language. I'm guessing never underestimate Japanese pride.
This is a really good question. It is so good that I have been considering it for a very long time. I guess you have as well.

Please note how conversation in relation to domains becomes specific to culture. How this plays out in every culture is unique to each.

You brought up Pinyin both as an analogue and as if it were in decline. I was not aware that Pinyin is in decline but I will look into it. If you have any supporting evidence I would be very interested.

Your statement: "will Romaji die? I'm assuming lack of awareness and romanji our worst enemy right now in domain names."

I guess we see things differently. I have never seen Romaji as a threat or even the status quo for that matter. In fact I consider Romaji to be an ally. In many ways Japan represents the very best reasons why native language domains are essential.

Lack of awareness is just shorthand for our impatience and our particular moment in time. The benefits of IDN will create awareness in its own time, as long as those benefits are undeniable.

If you look at the nature of Romaji itself is is plain to see that the flow of information works best in one direction. Old school domainers will find solace in the fact that much of their hard won knowledge is truth. The radio test is a valid measurement. Romaji fails the radio test because it is much better at turning Latin into Japanese than it is at converting Japanese into Latin.

Romaji will never be authoritative.

IDN's are authoritative and pass the radio test. IDN's are memorable. IDN's are much more memorable than any QR code. More memorable than Romaji. They can be branded around as proven by thousands of existing websites, branded around Japanese.com. IDN's have an SEO advantage. In short they exceed all other current possibilities. Their benefits are undeniable.

Lack of awareness is not an enemy it is a condition. It just happens to be the current condition. Ironically, it is in direct relation to the opportunity. When everyone knows what we hold true, the opportunity to profit will be held in thrall.

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You brought up Pinyin both as an analogue and as if it were in decline. I was not aware that Pinyin is in decline but I will look into it. If you have any supporting evidence I would be very interested.

i believe that pinyin ime is getting more popular.
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You guys need to mellow a bit , i am asking simple questions , and dont really like way you guys are answering , the way i read the earlier parts of the post was on the keyboard , they type in letters for a word which are then converted in to symbols/characters (idn.bz uses the term symbols) so my way of thinking if every word becomes a character then it is a lot to remember , why wouldn't i ask that , in english we type a word and it does not change , so to me this is quite different

Help is appreciated , but attitude is not , you seem to have been studying this for a while , me on this forum for one week and already put off asking any more questions , thanks anyway but i'll leave it at that , hoo roo (aussie for see ya )
As it happens, I have never studied Japanese, but have always just "assumed" Japanese people have a language they are able to read and remember. Wouldn't be much point having a language otherwise would there.

I didn't really need any formal forum education to come to that conclusion, it was just a wild guess on my part.
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Re: How does it work ..japanese type ins

Whilst many Japanese do speak English a presumption that they would understand the language is frankly insulting, not only to them but to other cultures. China is after all now their No. 1 Trading partner.

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I see you are still referring to them as Japanese 'symbols'. I started a thread about the Japanese writing system with someone new to IDN's such as yourself in mind. You can find it here: The Japanese Writing System You might want to study that for a bit.

As to your comment: Yes the Japanese can read and remember Japanese. That is the entire point of names in their language. They understand Japanese much better than English as can be expected. The people who live in the place called 'Japan' speak,write and read 'Japanese'

Do the Japanese recognize and understand what a domain is in Japanese?... Yes they understand. They have been branding their websites with Japanese domains for years now.

Please dig into the archives of this forum a bit. All will be made clear to you with a bit of research.
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You brought up Pinyin both as an analogue and as if it were in decline. I was not aware that Pinyin is in decline but I will look into it. If you have any supporting evidence I would be very interested.
No I didn't mean in use. They both serve obvious functions. I meant in how domains will be advertised and used. I'm thinking of domains only.

I see it beginning to happen in Japanese site already with websites promoting IDN.com. But with browser usage, IE6 still holds a signifigant footing in Asia although it's also dropping from what I've seen and the lack of awareness that you can type Japanese into the address bar it's not feasable to promote IDN on a large scale until IDN.IDN come along. It seems the Japanese have just been "conditioned" to search. This process can be unlearned I'm sure.

Pinyin and Romaji will serve their purpose by allowing multi-national companies to continue serving people overseas (latin-based speakers) while I see Chinese and Japanese taking it's place for the native people in domains. As it's just easier to remember and recall from memory as there are three types of Romaji.

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Lack of awareness is not an enemy it is a condition. It just happens to be the current condition. Ironically, it is in direct relation to the opportunity. When everyone knows what we hold true, the opportunity to profit will be held in thrall.

Nice way of putting it. I completely agree. Thanks for the explaination. Rep added.

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Whilst many Japanese do speak English a presumption that they would understand the language is frankly insulting, not only to them but to other cultures. China is after all now their No. 1 Trading partner.
I agree. It's embarrassing even for me to see the bastardization of their language because of political reasons. I see the people rejecting this fairly quickly in domain names once they realize that, "Oh hey, I can type-in my language and know exactly where I'm going."
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Kanji is taught in school beginning in the 6th grade. The first Kanji taught are the simplest and they become more complex as the years go by. You can see them here: Elementary Kanji

From a domianers point of view all of these elementary kanji are quite desireable. I think you will find they are all registered.
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notes:
(i) reserved JPs excluded from list
(ii) coms & nets variant blocked excluded from list
(iii) low numbers of available coms in some cases may be to do with the overlap in use with Chinese.. i.e so just because it's taken in com, doesn't equate to it being a good idea to take it in Japanese (dot jp)
(iv) do you own research!


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Wow, To be honest I wasn't looking past the first year Kanji on the page I linked but I am rather suprised so many 2nd and 3rd year Kanji are still available at all. In 2000 when the testbed started these were some of the first to go and this was mined much deeper than what you are showing now. The idea of a single character representing an entire word seemed like a domainers dream come true. I spent a fair bit of time mining these lists back then and I used to hold many of these myself. I have dropped the majority of them in the past 9 years. Naturally .jp wasn't in play yet but .net sure was and .org too.

Some great terms still available here but they are really just great brand able domains more than anything else. Single character Kanji aren't used very often and it usually takes at least 2 Kanji to form a real word. I did keep this one though 生.com. I was very happy to see it used as a single character on many cans of beer last time I was in Japan.



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No I didn't mean in use. They both serve obvious functions. I meant in how domains will be advertised and used. I'm thinking of domains only.

I see it beginning to happen in Japanese site already with websites promoting IDN.com. But with browser usage, IE6 still holds a signifigant footing in Asia although it's also dropping from what I've seen and the lack of awareness that you can type Japanese into the address bar it's not feasable to promote IDN on a large scale until IDN.IDN come along. It seems the Japanese have just been "conditioned" to search. This process can be unlearned I'm sure.
Ok, Now I understand you. I think you are correct that it won't come into broad awareness until IDN.IDN. Currently the most common methods of advertising a website in Japan is either by showing a search term in a search bar (thus implying you will find the site if you search for this term) and the QR codes.

The search box method is flawed because you are always exposing your customer to 9 other potential sites in the list and search engines have been known to change results for any given term. Heck your competition could hijack your campaign with just some good SEO work. The reason the search box method is most common atm is because it is at least memorable. (the search terms are in Japanese)

QR codes are flawed because they don't pass the radio test and they aren't memorable. You can't easily share a QR code with your friend over the phone.

Romaji and Latin character domains fail because they usually don't pass the radio test either and aren't memorable.

The only solution that has everything going for it are IDN's.

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i regged qrmobile/com a little while ago , the other day i noticed most of the other generic extensions were now taken , i hope they become popular , i also have qrmultimedia , with better phones that can read the codes they may be a new advertising tool ? ..... even if they dont pass the radio test
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with better phones that can read the codes they may be a new advertising tool ? ..... even if they dont pass the radio test
They already are used as advertising. I've already recieved several for websites I manage from Google directly.

They will however never replace an address. It's like saying a barcode was going to replace house addresses IRL. How long have barcodes been around? How would you tell someone to get to an address or business and have them remember it? Addresses while they have been updated have been around since there have been locations. This will never change and always be needed.
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