Tina Dam Speaking Live at TRAFFIC on IDN gTLDs - IDN Forums

sprewellpj · #1 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 07:39 PM

Breaking live...more updates to come...

http://idnblog.com/2010/01/22/breaki...f-f-i-c-panel/

yanni · #2 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 08:28 PM

This should be a wake-up call for many.

Any reactions from the floor/

sarcle · #3 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 08:32 PM

I know we all can't wait to hear what she has to say on the progress of gTLDs.

Did you get any pics of anyone from Verisign with a thumb up their ass?

sarcle · #4 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 09:09 PM

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Also when asked about the marketing of IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs, Tina was of the opinion that we will see a large amount of marketing from registries and registrars.

I asked whether there will be a Fast Track gTLD process, and Tina said that it has been discussed at length but she doesn’t see it happening.

I see you've updated your blog. This is VERY disappointing. So basically IDN ccTLDs are going to have over a year head start then.

sprewellpj · #5 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcle

I see you've updated your blog. This is VERY disappointing. So basically IDN ccTLDs are going to have over a year head start then.

The gTLD panel just wrapped up, and I updated idnblog with a full update.

@Yanni - The floor was somewhat worried by new gTLDs as they will dilute .com investments. Moreover, people believe in the future of IDNs but think they are a hard to understand market.

@Adam - Agreed, IDN ccTLDs look like they will have a head start in some markets.

sarcle · #6 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sprewellpj

@Adam - Agreed, IDN ccTLDs look like they will have a head start in some markets.

And here I thought we were on a roll. I guess both have thumbs up there.

It's a head start certain languages can't afford. Most will be fine but some will be hit hard by this. I'm thinking mostly of Arabic where it is essential. Not to mention the branding that will be embedded in the heads of locals by the time gtlds hit in those areas.

This is not a good thing.

IDNCowboy · #7 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 09:59 PM

It is ironic that the .com gatekeepers can't make up their mind.. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$ and not the consumer. F ICANN and Verisign

Ttourne enculer les mouces

Verisign CEO = Kisama

http://blog.buttermouth.com/2008/04/...languages.html

Rubber Duck · #8 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcle

And here I thought we were on a roll. I guess both have thumbs up there.

It's a head start certain languages can't afford. Most will be fine but some will be hit hard by this. I'm thinking mostly of Arabic where it is essential. Not to mention the branding that will be embedded in the heads of locals by the time gtlds hit in those areas.

This is not a good thing.

Not so worried about Arabic ccTLDs. It is not like they are going head to head with dot com. Persian perhaps.

idnowner · #9 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 11:19 PM

Tina. Damn it!

sarcle · #10 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by idnowner

Tina. Damn it!

I was wondering where you were at.

I'm going to go hibernate. Someone wake me up in a year.

blastfromthepast · #11 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 11:35 PM

This is good. The fast track process was what was causing the delay.

idnowner · #12 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcle

I was wondering where you were at.

Observing, waiting, drinking beer, waiting, and drinking more beer.

Clotho · #13 (**permalink**) 22nd January 2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sprewellpj

@Yanni - The floor was somewhat worried by new gTLDs as they will dilute .com investments. Moreover, people believe in the future of IDNs but think they are a hard to understand market.

Hard to understand if you lump all the countries together and just call them all 'IDN' Much much simpler if you analyze each country individually. Nothing worth having comes without effort. If it was so easy that any dolt with 9 dollars could do it we would already be scrambling to sell made up words in Cyrillic.

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Originally Posted by sarcle

I was wondering where you were at.

I'm going to go hibernate. Someone wake me up in a year.

Ok, but you are going to miss out on much. This will have little effect in many countries. For example Japan.

**sbe18** · #14 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 12:58 AM

my 2 yuan:
since cents is a joke.

Japan...no effect dot com / dot JP/ or dot IDN.

korea ...no effect ......same

China.... PRC heavy handed play with google, firewall, twitter, WAP, porn, company doc's needed, then changed back to individuals will be OK ...

seriously impacts dot cn/ dot IDN owner and investor confidence....

fine.

makes the long term for chinese IDN dot com's better and secure .

yes there is blocking / whitelisting risk, but not confiscation/ political risk.

Arabic dot com's will stay a mess for a year....while Emirates and Saudi go through a license plate auction like fetish....

I think the short term winner is IDN dot com /jp ....

Still kind of surprised that JP KR and CN were not with the initial 4, for a PR release of 7.

s/

sarcle · #15 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by idnowner

Observing, waiting, drinking beer, waiting, and drinking more beer.

Have you been doing this all these years? Your liver must be wrecked!

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Originally Posted by Clotho

Ok, but you are going to miss out on much. This will have little effect in many countries. For example Japan.

Nah, I'm not going anywhere. Just being melodramatic.

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Originally Posted by sbe18

Arabic dot com's will stay a mess for a year

I'm seeing the same thing. I don't know how they can't be.

I'm just having trouble comprehending all this. Okay. They've taken our money all these years. Haven't really done anything. Well, anything that couldn't have been done in a single year. They stretch it out for more time. And then pass the win to cctlds leaving gtlds to get worked out later. When? God knows! 8 months to ???? months after new gtlds are approved. Who's profited the most? Icann and Verisign. Who gets the benefit from our money? Extentions that didn't even exist. This really is bullshit.

Clotho · #16 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sarcle

I'm just having trouble comprehending all this. Okay. They've taken our money all these years. Haven't really done anything. Well, anything that couldn't have been done in a single year. They stretch it out for more time. And then pass the win to cctlds leaving gtlds to get worked out later. When? God knows! 8 months to ???? months after new gtlds are approved. Who's profited the most? Icann and Verisign. Who gets the benefit from our money? Extentions that didn't even exist. This really is bullshit.

Hahaha! Sorry but I do find this funny. It has been this way from the beginning and the changes that have happened in the last 3 years seem like lightspeed compared to the first 6. At least now the domains work. It originally took them 2+ years to come up with a premise that didn't work (I-Nav) and they claimed that it did. (so they could charge us renewal fees.)

This is nothing compared to the BS of the early years.

Since they work now and provide a distinct advantage to their target markets maybe we should focus on development to pass the time?

sarcle · #17 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Clotho

Since they work now and provide a distinct advantage to their target markets maybe we should focus on development to pass the time?

Trust me I know how it's gone.

Can't even focus on development as they don't rank in the search engines that matter. Google yes. Yahoo no. Yandex no.

Seems like everywhere we look we get sand thrown in our eyes.

The only thing we have for sure is that our domains will be aliased.

DktoInc · #18 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 03:03 AM

Just relax everybody. It is where it's supposed to be. Its actually a good thing. The public will have more time to get educated to use www. With 20% per year increase in internet usage around the world, 2-5 years is actually making the demand for domains even higher. Then, Jackpot Baby!!!!!

On the other hand Google is winning all the battles by throwing its weight around as always, so everyone else should smarten up and follow the leader or face monopoly.

DomainDialect · #19 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DktoInc

Just relax everybody. It is where it's supposed to be. Its actually a good thing. The public will have more time to get educated to use www. With 20% per year increase in internet usage around the world, 2-5 years is actually making the demand for domains even higher. Then, Jackpot Baby!!!!!

On the other hand Google is winning all the battles by throwing its weight around as always, so everyone else should smarten up and follow the leader or face monopoly.

2-5 years???

Now where'd I put that piggy bank...?

sarcle · #20 (**permalink**) 23rd January 2010, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DktoInc

Just relax everybody. It is where it's supposed to be. Its actually a good thing. The public will have more time to get educated to use www. With 20% per year increase in internet usage around the world, 2-5 years is actually making the demand for domains even higher. Then, Jackpot Baby!!!!!

On the other hand Google is winning all the battles by throwing its weight around as always, so everyone else should smarten up and follow the leader or face monopoly.

Look at my join date. Never mistake my words. I believe in IDN. IDN will work no matter what. None of our words will change that. Everyone once in awhile experience total frustration towards Icann and the process.(Except Clotho

) What you are seeing is just that.

I have domains with millions of searches a month. And advertisers are paying big dollars on those searches. People want to type-in their language. And corporations want to advertise to them. Technology currently is preventing them from doing so. Our market is where it's currently at because of this. Years we've been waiting. Our goal line is right in front of us and sometimes it seems like it will never get here. It will. Just sometimes get tired of being tired of the circles.

Sorry for the rant.

BTW. Google isn't leading anything. If anything I've discovered from the years I've put into this is that.