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Old 21st April 2010, 06:30 AM
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another so called "barrier" to IDNs just disappears...

You know the one, where people say "Oo, I'm abroad for a few weeks, and nobody has Russian / Japanese / Chinese / Thai" on their keyboards abroad, why on earth should I invest in IDNs if my favorite website isn't available when I rush off abroad and inexplicably completely forget my iphone(y) / laptop etc ..."

http://www.google.co.il/

Hit the keyboard icon .....

And even more google searches in local language not English for sure .... source story from the amazing techcrunch ....

http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/20/goo...8TechCrunch%29

Funny how all these so-called "barriers" are like paperweight versions of the berlin wall. people power just waiting for the NamePros reaction!
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Old 21st April 2010, 06:47 AM
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http://www.google.co.il/

Hit the keyboard icon .....
I must be completly blind as I cannot see any type of keyboard icon on google.co.il

Where exactly is it located ?

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I must be completly blind as I cannot see any type of keyboard icon on google.co.il

Where exactly is it located ?

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This hasn’t been formally announced by Google.

can't wait, this is great news.

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Old 21st April 2010, 07:21 AM
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I must be completly blind as I cannot see any type of keyboard icon on google.co.il

Where exactly is it located ?

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I think you have to do a search first or something atm, and then it appears subsequently ..... but whatever, the trend is clear ..... searches in your own language
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You know the one, where people say "Oo, I'm abroad for a few weeks, and nobody has Russian / Japanese / Chinese / Thai" on their keyboards abroad, why on earth should I invest in IDNs if my favorite website isn't available when I rush off abroad and inexplicably completely forget my iphone(y) / laptop etc ..."
They even have keyboards in all these third world countries? :o

But seriously: did Google just start this? I'm pretty sure they had virtual keyboards in various languages for a while already. At least the ones used by Jose on Idn.bz show up with a Google logo.
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Try Molvanian Google it has it too!!!

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They even have keyboards in all these third world countries? :o

But seriously: did Google just start this? I'm pretty sure they had virtual keyboards in various languages for a while already. At least the ones used by Jose on Idn.bz show up with a Google logo.
The point is not whether they existed, simply where they are promoted ... virtual keyboards have been around for as long as the Net presumably, the decision by Google to put them on local search home pages is massive, just massive, although I agree, they should be there to start, and in HUGE letters not after a search or whatever it takes to induce them to appear.
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Old 21st April 2010, 09:15 AM
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Looks like my eyesight is back !!

Just been using Google.gr and I can see it now on that as well.


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Old 21st April 2010, 09:19 AM
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Looks like my eyesight is back !!

Just been using Google.gr and I can see it now on that as well.


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Yeah, I'm not sure either - one minute I saw it, the next I didn't ..... but whatever, its there, and "back for good" as my least favorite band would say.
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Looks like my eyesight is back !!

Just been using Google.gr and I can see it now on that as well.

Alex
It might be depending on your browser language settings. So if your browser language is Greek you will get the Greek keyboard on Google.gr but not the Hebrew one on Google.co.il.
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Old 21st April 2010, 09:48 AM
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Awesome thai, arabic too http://www.google.ae/
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Yeah, I'm not sure either - one minute I saw it, the next I didn't ..... but whatever, its there, and "back for good" as my least favorite band would say.
Thank God you included the word "least" in that statement - I was about to get seriously worried.
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It might be depending on your browser language settings. So if your browser language is Greek you will get the Greek keyboard on Google.gr but not the Hebrew one on Google.co.il.
No, it doesn't matter. You get it everywhere, no matter what your language settings.
I've been seeing this thingy for sometime now.
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No, it doesn't matter. You get it everywhere, no matter what your language settings.
I've been seeing this thingy for sometime now.
For some reason it didn't show up before. Now I can see it as well.
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You know the one, where people say "Oo, I'm abroad for a few weeks, and nobody has Russian / Japanese / Chinese / Thai" on their keyboards abroad, why on earth should I invest in IDNs if my favorite website isn't available when I rush off abroad and inexplicably completely forget my iphone(y) / laptop etc ..."
The argument was always that i.e. a japanese person can not do type-ins on a japanese domain while abroad and without a japanese keyboard.

This virtual keyboard does not help type-ins, only search.

I suppose one could type the domain name with the virtual keyboard and then copy/paste it into the address bar of the browser.

No, this really doesn't solve the problem of type-ins while abroad (which is a huge use case for e.g. travel agency websites using IDNs only).
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This virtual keyboard does not help type-ins, only search.
I suppose that this can be viewed a case for development, rather than parking.
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I suppose that this can be viewed a case for development, rather than parking.
Well, a case for appearing in SE results.

You can develop until the cows come home but if Google doesn't bless you with their magic wand...
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Old 22nd April 2010, 06:23 AM
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The argument was always that i.e. a japanese person can not do type-ins on a japanese domain while abroad and without a japanese keyboard.

This virtual keyboard does not help type-ins
, only search.

I suppose one could type the domain name with the virtual keyboard and then copy/paste it into the address bar of the browser.

No, this really doesn't solve the problem of type-ins while abroad (which is a huge use case for e.g. travel agency websites using IDNs only).
How can a virtual keyboard not help type-ins? What a bizarre statement. I have seen Thai kids at changi airport desperately trying to find a way to search for their favorite thai gamez. Do you think having a thai virtual keyboard to hand doesn't help them achieve their goal. Of course it does!

The problem is if I am abroad and Thai, I simply cannot find how to type "เกมส์" into my browser, whether I want to search for "เกมส์" or find the actual .com or .net website. As a user, you can presume I have the brains to add the ".com" myself, whether using a real keyboard or virtual keyboard, its not a problem for me, wouldn't even be a problem for a 5-year old Thai kid. Also the brains to copy and paste, again a "piece of piss". It is simply solving the problem in an easy to remember way, put the characters at an easy to remember URL i.e. google.

Its all about "language access", whether type-ins or search or anything. It all goes in the same bag ... you are a clever guy Mr Jackson, have a rethink on this one !!
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Searching for เกมส์.com is not the same as typing in เกมส์.com, especially with google's "did you mean" feature. I have seen it in action, google suggests the longer existing ascii equivalent and people just click the first search result without thinking too much. It can cause you to lose half or more of your traffic. Sucks, but true.

Type-ins happen without thinking. Nobody is going to do the copy/paste trick unless they are really desperate to get to that particular site, because that requires thinking and effort.

Don't get me wrong, the virtual keyboard is a great thing, but I don't see it helping type-ins in any way.
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