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[dabsi]

have a nice week All
And concentrate on domaining.
Dabsi

Thanks Sedo
Thanks Las Vegas
Thanks Martini
Thanks Bionade
Thanks Puppy
Thanks Tartare
Tnaks Croissant

[blastfromthepast]

Blame Rubber Duck.

[bumblebee man]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

I have just cornered a SEDO rep, and she wants me to produce some examples of the problems with their current search system. So if you can come up with some complaints and list them here, I'll take her through them after the live auction finishes.

1) No "IDNs only" filter.

2) I try to search for "xn-" instead:

You have entered an invalid character. Domain names may only contain letters, numbers and hyphens (-). All other special characters are not available in a domain name.

3) when entering a Latin IDN term the EXACT term will show up somewhere way behind the ASCII-version and various domains which include the ASCII-version plus some other shit words or even numbers attached to it

Example:
I entered "teléfono". On the first page I'm getting:

telefonos.es
videotelefono.es
tutelefono.es
liberartelefono.es
telefonotactil.es
telefonosonline.es
radiotelefonos.es
liberartelefonos.es
telefonostactiles.es
telefonoonline.es
telefonos900.es
telefonoumts.com
telefonored.com
telefonopublico.com
telefonoportatil.com
telefononet.com
telefonolibre.com
telefonoguia.com
telefonofijo.com
tarjetastelefono.com
redtelefono.com
microtelefono.com
llamadastelefono.com
liberartelefono.com
guiatelefono.com
cinetelefono.com
itelefono.com
telefonosmail.com
telefonosfijos.com
tarjetastelefonos.com
redtelefonos.com
melodiastelefonos.com
logotelefonos.com
logostelefonos.com
liberartelefonos.com
guiatelefonos.com
guiastelefonos.com
directoriotelefonos.com
montepiotelefonos.com
etelefonos.com
telefono.org
telefonotaxis.es
telefonoporno.es
telefonostaxis.es
telefonowireless.com
telefonoswireless.com
telefonowifi.es
telefonosatelite.es
telefonoadsl.es
buscartelefono.es

2nd page:

buscadortelefono.es
apuestastelefono.es
telefonosantiguos.es
guiatelefonos.es
telefono-internet.com
telefonointernacional.com
red-telefono.com
i-telefono.com
e-telefono.com
telefonos-digitales.com
melodias-telefonos.com
guia-telefonos.com
guias-telefonos.com
e-telefonos.com
ofertatelefono.es
itelefono.es
teléfono.es

If I wanted a domain without accent I'd be entering the terms without the accent. If I wanted numbers and shit words attached to it I'd be searching it with numbers and shit terms attached to it. I certainly don't enter a term with accents only to find out that the exact match domain name shows up behind all this shit.

This gets even worse if the ASCII-Version is an English word. You won't find a single IDN within top 1000 results for "téléphone". I didn't bother to look any further as it is crystal clear that it is totally pointless to enter accents if they get ignored anyway.

4) I enter a Chinese term: 电脑.

All Domains Matching your Search Criteria

电脑.com

This domain name is available to be registered. Sedo recommends our partner 1and1. Act now before someone else does!


squawvalleyresort.com
cookinglowfat.com
skatingstore.com
geodomaininvestor.com
pudanet.com
orderproducts.com
gourmetbreads.com
ancienthealing.com
usedcarbuyers.com
bulkdeals.com
bostonphoneservice.com
ceisa.com
nebentaetigkeit.com
myreeftank.com
badereise.com
tjbullfight.com
loosetheweight.com
legalperson.com
alpsee.com
glasspoolfences.com
barrengold.com
deathshow.com
buyelectrictoothbrush.com
valleysurf.com
ojaj.com
reginasalomao.com
netbetsports.com
99sites.com
slashburn.com
reverseplanning.com
woodysqc.com
dailymuslim.com
littlelong.com
liberateyourlife.com
soulplex.com
itsthenews.com
ibizaweather.com
cloudrails.com
dyaj.com
kitehq.com
hotelrodez.com
cheapflightsitaly.com
carrentalpasadena.com
calamesquida.com
affordablecouture.com
plierstapler.com
naturalcoloncleaner.com
inexpensivetreadmill.com
beanbagashtray.com
hypnosisexpert.com

It's not that it is difficult to search for IDNs on Sedo. It doesn't fucking work at all.

[alexd]

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

1) This domain name is available to be registered. Sedo recommends our partner 1and1. [B]Act now before someone else does!

I'd rather skin myself with a blunt butter knife and then roll around on a bed of salt - than conduct any business at all with 1and1 !!

I still have nightmares about the constant problems I always had with them when I made the mistake of using them for hosting.

[bumblebee man]

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

It's not that it is difficult to search for IDNs on Sedo. It doesn't fucking work at all.

I have to correct myself: Of course it works perfectly with German umlauts.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

Of course it works perfectly with German umlauts.

What are umlauts?

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by sarcle

What are umlauts?

The two dots above the ü.

[blastfromthepast]

[bumblebee man]

Originally Posted by sarcle

What are umlauts?

ä,ö,ü

[alpha]

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

1) No "IDNs only" filter.

2) I try to search for "xn-" instead:

You have entered an invalid character. Domain names may only contain letters, numbers and hyphens (-). All other special characters are not available in a domain name.

3) when entering a Latin IDN term the EXACT term will show up somewhere way behind the ASCII-version and various domains which include the ASCII-version plus some other shit words or even numbers attached to it

Example:
I entered "teléfono". On the first page I'm getting:

telefonos.es
videotelefono.es
tutelefono.es
liberartelefono.es
telefonotactil.es
telefonosonline.es
radiotelefonos.es
liberartelefonos.es
telefonostactiles.es
telefonoonline.es
telefonos900.es
telefonoumts.com
telefonored.com
telefonopublico.com
telefonoportatil.com
telefononet.com
telefonolibre.com
telefonoguia.com
telefonofijo.com
tarjetastelefono.com
redtelefono.com
microtelefono.com
llamadastelefono.com
liberartelefono.com
guiatelefono.com
cinetelefono.com
itelefono.com
telefonosmail.com
telefonosfijos.com
tarjetastelefonos.com
redtelefonos.com
melodiastelefonos.com
logotelefonos.com
logostelefonos.com
liberartelefonos.com
guiatelefonos.com
guiastelefonos.com
directoriotelefonos.com
montepiotelefonos.com
etelefonos.com
telefono.org
telefonotaxis.es
telefonoporno.es
telefonostaxis.es
telefonowireless.com
telefonoswireless.com
telefonowifi.es
telefonosatelite.es
telefonoadsl.es
buscartelefono.es

2nd page:

buscadortelefono.es
apuestastelefono.es
telefonosantiguos.es
guiatelefonos.es
telefono-internet.com
telefonointernacional.com
red-telefono.com
i-telefono.com
e-telefono.com
telefonos-digitales.com
melodias-telefonos.com
guia-telefonos.com
guias-telefonos.com
e-telefonos.com
ofertatelefono.es
itelefono.es
teléfono.es

If I wanted a domain without accent I'd be entering the terms without the accent. If I wanted numbers and shit words attached to it I'd be searching it with numbers and shit terms attached to it. I certainly don't enter a term with accents only to find out that the exact match domain name shows up behind all this shit.

This gets even worse if the ASCII-Version is an English word. You won't find a single IDN within top 1000 results for "téléphone". I didn't bother to look any further as it is crystal clear that it is totally pointless to enter accents if they get ignored anyway.

4) I enter a Chinese term: 电脑.

All Domains Matching your Search Criteria

电脑.com

This domain name is available to be registered. Sedo recommends our partner 1and1. Act now before someone else does!


squawvalleyresort.com
cookinglowfat.com
skatingstore.com
geodomaininvestor.com
pudanet.com
orderproducts.com
gourmetbreads.com
ancienthealing.com
usedcarbuyers.com
bulkdeals.com
bostonphoneservice.com
ceisa.com
nebentaetigkeit.com
myreeftank.com
badereise.com
tjbullfight.com
loosetheweight.com
legalperson.com
alpsee.com
glasspoolfences.com
barrengold.com
deathshow.com
buyelectrictoothbrush.com
valleysurf.com
ojaj.com
reginasalomao.com
netbetsports.com
99sites.com
slashburn.com
reverseplanning.com
woodysqc.com
dailymuslim.com
littlelong.com
liberateyourlife.com
soulplex.com
itsthenews.com
ibizaweather.com
cloudrails.com
dyaj.com
kitehq.com
hotelrodez.com
cheapflightsitaly.com
carrentalpasadena.com
calamesquida.com
affordablecouture.com
plierstapler.com
naturalcoloncleaner.com
inexpensivetreadmill.com
beanbagashtray.com
hypnosisexpert.com

It's not that it is difficult to search for IDNs on Sedo. It doesn't fucking work at all.

try posting a reply to this blog post, it certainly caught one of their guys attention last time, as they proudly announced their improved search functionality.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

ä,ö,ü

Oh, I just always called them, "the letters with the dot thingies above them". Thanks.

[blastfromthepast]

What does Sedo have against other languages/cultures?

[Drewbert]

Some of this has been fixed now?

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

1) No "IDNs only" filter.

2) I try to search for "xn-" instead:

You have entered an invalid character. Domain names may only contain letters, numbers and hyphens (-). All other special characters are not available in a domain name.

3) when entering a Latin IDN term the EXACT term will show up somewhere way behind the ASCII-version and various domains which include the ASCII-version plus some other shit words or even numbers attached to it

Example:
I entered "teléfono". On the first page I'm getting:

telefonos.es
videotelefono.es
tutelefono.es
liberartelefono.es
telefonotactil.es
telefonosonline.es
radiotelefonos.es
liberartelefonos.es
telefonostactiles.es
telefonoonline.es
telefonos900.es
telefonoumts.com
telefonored.com
telefonopublico.com
telefonoportatil.com
telefononet.com
telefonolibre.com
telefonoguia.com
telefonofijo.com
tarjetastelefono.com
redtelefono.com
microtelefono.com
llamadastelefono.com
liberartelefono.com
guiatelefono.com
cinetelefono.com
itelefono.com
telefonosmail.com
telefonosfijos.com
tarjetastelefonos.com
redtelefonos.com
melodiastelefonos.com
logotelefonos.com
logostelefonos.com
liberartelefonos.com
guiatelefonos.com
guiastelefonos.com
directoriotelefonos.com
montepiotelefonos.com
etelefonos.com
telefono.org
telefonotaxis.es
telefonoporno.es
telefonostaxis.es
telefonowireless.com
telefonoswireless.com
telefonowifi.es
telefonosatelite.es
telefonoadsl.es
buscartelefono.es

2nd page:

buscadortelefono.es
apuestastelefono.es
telefonosantiguos.es
guiatelefonos.es
telefono-internet.com
telefonointernacional.com
red-telefono.com
i-telefono.com
e-telefono.com
telefonos-digitales.com
melodias-telefonos.com
guia-telefonos.com
guias-telefonos.com
e-telefonos.com
ofertatelefono.es
itelefono.es
teléfono.es

If I wanted a domain without accent I'd be entering the terms without the accent. If I wanted numbers and shit words attached to it I'd be searching it with numbers and shit terms attached to it. I certainly don't enter a term with accents only to find out that the exact match domain name shows up behind all this shit.

This gets even worse if the ASCII-Version is an English word. You won't find a single IDN within top 1000 results for "téléphone". I didn't bother to look any further as it is crystal clear that it is totally pointless to enter accents if they get ignored anyway.

4) I enter a Chinese term: 电脑.

All Domains Matching your Search Criteria

电脑.com

This domain name is available to be registered. Sedo recommends our partner 1and1. Act now before someone else does!


squawvalleyresort.com
cookinglowfat.com
skatingstore.com
geodomaininvestor.com
pudanet.com
orderproducts.com
gourmetbreads.com
ancienthealing.com
usedcarbuyers.com
bulkdeals.com
bostonphoneservice.com
ceisa.com
nebentaetigkeit.com
myreeftank.com
badereise.com
tjbullfight.com
loosetheweight.com
legalperson.com
alpsee.com
glasspoolfences.com
barrengold.com
deathshow.com
buyelectrictoothbrush.com
valleysurf.com
ojaj.com
reginasalomao.com
netbetsports.com
99sites.com
slashburn.com
reverseplanning.com
woodysqc.com
dailymuslim.com
littlelong.com
liberateyourlife.com
soulplex.com
itsthenews.com
ibizaweather.com
cloudrails.com
dyaj.com
kitehq.com
hotelrodez.com
cheapflightsitaly.com
carrentalpasadena.com
calamesquida.com
affordablecouture.com
plierstapler.com
naturalcoloncleaner.com
inexpensivetreadmill.com
beanbagashtray.com
hypnosisexpert.com

It's not that it is difficult to search for IDNs on Sedo. It doesn't fucking work at all.

[blastfromthepast]

Still can't search for Chinese characters reliably.
Japanese Kana seems to be searchable.

[Ryu]

I just searched Japanese IDNs at Sedo and was presented by this:

judō.com

[bumblebee man]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Some of this has been fixed now?

teléfono

teléfono.es
telefono.es
teléfono.com
teléfono.com.es
teléfonos.es
telefonos.es
videoteléfono.es
teléfonosmoviles.es
teléfonoerótico.es
videotelefono.es

This is the way it should be. Teléfono.es is the number one result. Also note that the IDN version always shows up before the ascii version. If you search for "telefono" however there you won't see any IDN.

téléphone

achetertelephone.fr
téléphone.co
achattelephone.fr
voyancetelephone.fr
videotelephone.fr
ventetelephone.fr
telephonevoip.fr
telephoneumts.fr
telephonemaison.fr
telephoneinverse.fr
telephonegps.fr
telephonefilaire.fr
telephonefax.fr
telephonedect.fr
telephoneadsl.fr
sexetelephone.fr
numerotelephone.fr
jeuxtelephone.fr
jeutelephone.fr
groupetelephone.fr
adsltelephone.fr
123telephone.fr
woodtelephone.com
westtelephone.com
votretelephone.com
vermonttelephone.com
traveltelephone.com
traintelephone.com
toytelephone.com
texastelephone.com
telephonework.com

Rather disappointing. They noticed that it's a French word, so they show a lot of .fr names containing telephone. Only one IDN (téléphone.co) on page one. Behind French ascii .fr there's an awful lot of French and English ascii .com.

Börse

börse.eu
zentralbörse.de
truckerbörse.de
treckerbörse.de
tattoobörse.de
rinderbörse.de
reptilbörse.de
pelletbörse.de
neubaubörse.de
motorenbörse.de
mediabörse.de
lagerbörse.de
kleinbörse.de
kapitalbörse.de
hostbörse.de
golfbörse.de
freizeitbörse.de
erfolgsbörse.de
dtbörse.de
cyberbörse.de
cloudbörse.de
smsbörse.de
milchbörse.de
bootbörse.de

Showing IDN only. Exact match on top. The others seem pretty random exept for the .de extension.

онлайн

порноонлайн.com
читатьонлайн.com
телевидениеонлайн.com
новинкионлайн.com
онлайнбесплатно.com
киноонлайн.com
просмотронлайн.com
мультфильмыонлайн.com
бесплатноеонлайн.com
трансляциионлайн.com
девушкионлайн.com

Looking good. v

网

All domains that match your search:

multi-shop-service.de
ihr-hausfreund.de
medicalstudio.de
m-agentur.de
reptilplanet.de
edelstahl-profis.de
die-sonnenuhr.de

Hopeless.

So yes, some of this has been fixed. I have no idea why you can actually search in Russian but not in Chinese but this must be Sedo logic. As for Latin IDNs it does look a lot better than before.

Their algorythm prefers:

• exact match over broad match
• IDN over ASCII (when entered with IDN characters)
• ccTLD over gTLD

with too much emphasis on the latter imo.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by bumblebee man

So yes, some of this has been fixed. I have no idea why you can actually search in Russian but not in Chinese but this must be Sedo logic. As for Latin IDNs it does look a lot better than before.

I have a technical explaination. They hand coded in the characters for each language.

But they were lazy.

So, things like Japanese kana, and Cyrillic, are included. But Chinese characters, just too many of them to put in there, and how do you know where to get a list of all of them? Simple, don't put them in the search algorithm at all.