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IDN’s, ccTLD’s and all the bullSh*t

Interesting article from one of our newest member.


http://www.domainstryker.com/idn-dom...omains-cctlds/

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Interesting article from one of our newest member.


http://www.domainstryker.com/idn-dom...omains-cctlds/

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Already discussed and ripped apart here ;-)

But since there is now renewed interest.......... Let's start over
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Already discussed and ripped apart here ;-)

But since there is now renewed interest.......... Let's start over
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The guys got it more right than wrong. JMO
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Old 2nd June 2010, 08:36 AM
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The guys got it more right than wrong. JMO
To me, as someone that turned down an invitation to be on Rick's board, a very rare breed I've been told, I think is he talking complete crap:

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Lets face it… Most domainers and other up-and-comers in the do it yourself internet business are sheep and have the follower mentality. Maybe one out of a hundred or even five hundred is an actual leader who can come up with original ideas and dig up their own niche-within-a-niche and capitalize time and time over and over again.

Rick Schwartz’ private forum had some of the greatest domain investors of all time and those IDN’ers failed to even make an impression or provide one sound argument… But nowadays, the messages and misinformation is being spread across various other channels.

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There is some valuable IDN and ccTLD domains… The category defining ones with type-in traffic that can be converted into dollars one way or another. The cream of the crop. Unfortunately all of these domains were had a long time ago by insiders… Domainers and techies who keep their mouth shut. Ones who go about their biz quietly, avoiding the spotlight as much as possible and for a very good reason.
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All he talks about is "type-in traffic" - its so past its sell-by-date. He should go back to the year 2000. Its full of snidy insidious crap, like traffic outside the US is worthless, or full of fraud, etc. etc. etc.
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Not one sound argument for IDNs? ............ yawn.

He is the sheep. He just doesn't know it, or doesn't want to know it. And he's a racist at heart.

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And I can never get beyond this:

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Look, there is money to be made with any kind of traffic, but not a whole lot. Let me illustrate it this way which should make sense with a real life example: Somebody slips, falls and breaks something in a mall in Russia or Taiwan or Pakistan or Egypt or wherever… It’s highly unlikely that they are going to be able to file a lawsuit or win shit. They probably won’t even be able to get their medical expenses taken care of. They will probably get a kick in the ass and be told to go fuck themselves. That’s just the way it works in those parts of the world.
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Its just horrible racist shit.... so sad. Ask him where he has been in the world. I bet he hasn't been outside Kansas.
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I don't even know where to start because he doesn't seem to have the slightest clue what he is arguing for or against.

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Its just horrible racist shit.... so sad. Ask him where he has been in the world. I bet he hasn't been outside Kansas.
My guess would have been Texas or Alaska.

BTW: I have heard many dumb arguments against the use of IDNs but the lawyer example beats them all. A country ruled by lawyers might not be the best example to follow for the rest of the world. How about everyone doing their business rather than suing each other all the time?
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When I posted a reply back on his blog yesterday about why one day he is saying IDNs are bullshit - then the next he is here at IDNforums claiming to have a $500,000 budget and wants traffic IDNs, my reply did appear on the site briefly, but was then removed.

Definately looks like this guy has a split personality - and both sides are dickheads !!
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Definately looks like this guy has a split personality - and both sides are dickheads !!

Conjures up a somewhat bizarre image.
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Conjures up a somewhat bizarre image.
You are probably thinking about the "London 2012" logo again !!
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You are probably thinking about the "London 2012" logo again !!
Conjure me up one one of those famous fast-food avatars I am addicted to, with a "2 dickhead bent", and I'll promise to use it through the World Cup. As long as England win of course :p
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Cutting to the main point of the article, I think he summed it up well. The article asks "is there really any money to be made with these kinds of domains (idns/cctlds) in 2010". I don't think he is far off on his conclusions.

In Paragraph 1- He asks the Question:
"Once again there is a lot of buzz surrounding IDN domain names and ccTLD’s within the domaining community… So lets see, is there really any money to be made with these kinds of domains in 2010 and moving forward? Yes there is but first you have to understand a couple of very basic principles and avoid the hype.

In last 2 Paragraphs: He summarized his Answer:
"We all know that category killer keyword domains get type in traffic and really, ccTLD domains and IDN’s are no exception, they get lots of traffic as well, but where the hell do you monetize it… How?? So before you decide to invest in any of these domains, ask yourself this question and you better be able to answer it, otherwise you will end up paying thousands or tens of thousands of dollars for domains that produce a whole lot of nothing… Just headaches!

So don’t believe the hype. Do due diligence. Seek the truth… It’s up-to you to put together the pieces of the puzzle and make sure that everything is 110% clear and makes sense. See first hand that this international traffic converts and then you can begin to talk about it with friends, blog about it and maybe even invest more heavily, just as you do with the proven top three gTLD’s which are .com/net/org which everybody just loves and for a very good reason… WORLDWIDE"
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Cutting to the main point of the article, I think he summed it up well. The article asks "is there really any money to be made with these kinds of domains (idns/cctlds) in 2010". I don't think he is far off on his conclusions.

In Paragraph 1- He asks the Question:
"Once again there is a lot of buzz surrounding IDN domain names and ccTLD’s within the domaining community… So lets see, is there really any money to be made with these kinds of domains in 2010 and moving forward? Yes there is but first you have to understand a couple of very basic principles and avoid the hype.

In last 2 Paragraphs: He summarized his Answer:
"We all know that category killer keyword domains get type in traffic and really, ccTLD domains and IDN’s are no exception, they get lots of traffic as well, but where the hell do you monetize it… How?? So before you decide to invest in any of these domains, ask yourself this question and you better be able to answer it, otherwise you will end up paying thousands or tens of thousands of dollars for domains that produce a whole lot of nothing… Just headaches!

So don’t believe the hype. Do due diligence. Seek the truth… It’s up-to you to put together the pieces of the puzzle and make sure that everything is 110% clear and makes sense. See first hand that this international traffic converts and then you can begin to talk about it with friends, blog about it and maybe even invest more heavily, just as you do with the proven top three gTLD’s which are .com/net/org which everybody just loves and for a very good reason… WORLDWIDE"
The main point for me is that he has the entirely wrong business model in his head. He thinks in terms of ASCII circa 2002 i.e. buy lots of domains, get lots of type-ins, blah blah blah. IDN world isn't like that at all. Its about getting the top domains (search terms) in the top languages and develop, develop, develop. Just because he has a few expired traffic domains from back in the day that get visits without any income doesn't mean he knows shit - he just thinks he does.
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Conjure me up one one of those famous fast-food avatars I am addicted to, with a "2 dickhead bent", and I'll promise to use it through the World Cup. As long as England win of course :p
Great - like I don't have enough work already to do.

However, as I would like England to win just as much as you ( though I wouldn't mind if Greece were to win it, though my head tells me they won't ), I will see what I can conjure up. Might need to do a little photoshop on it - as I doubt I'll be able to find something readymade what you want !!

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Great - like I don't have enough work already to do.

However, as I would like England to win just as much as you ( though I wouldn't mind if Greece were to win it, though my head tells me they won't ), I will see what I can conjure up. Might need to do a little photoshop on it - as I doubt I'll be able to find something readymade what you want !!

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Custom job. Sounds expensive..... Tell you what, if Greece wins the World Cup, I'll give you £500 for it. Otherwise its free - deal?
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Custom job. Sounds expensive..... Tell you what, if Greece wins the World Cup, I'll give you £500 for it. Otherwise its free - deal?
You can drive a hard bargain can't you ??

If Greece do win the World Cup, then I will put all my Greek IDNs on auction here as one package with no reserve and a starting bid of $0.01.

On second thoughts - with my luck at the moment, that would most likely happen - Greece would win the World Cup, you'd make the first bid - there will be no other bidders, and I'd be screwed !!

Lets stick with your suggestion then !!

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On second thoughts - with my luck at the moment, that would most likely happen - Greece would win the World Cup, you'd make the first bid - there will be no other bidders, and I'd be screwed !!

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