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555 22nd June 2010 11:25 PM

IDN gTLD discussion
 
EN Part 5, 22nd to 29th minute appx.
http://brussels38.icann.org/node/12443

555 23rd June 2010 12:15 PM

Re: IDN gTLD discussion
 
Reducing Barriers to New gTLD Creating in Developing Regions:
Click the link to the PDF @ bottom of the page: http://brussels38.icann.org/node/12503

555 23rd June 2010 03:19 PM

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squirrel 23rd June 2010 03:53 PM

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is the short letters variant block a feature of the new cctlds or will it apply to gtlds as well ?

Rubber Duck 23rd June 2010 06:39 PM

Re: IDN gTLD discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Bericht 163875)
is the short letters variant block a feature of the new cctlds or will it apply to gtlds as well ?

If you had actually been following this, then you would know that IDN ccTLDs which are the only new ccTLDs and are only fast tracked New GTLDs. Understanding at least that much, then what do you think?

squirrel 23rd June 2010 08:57 PM

Re: IDN gTLD discussion
 
I've been following RD, thank you for your support. What have you been up to lately, you don't seem to post much since you passed the 13000 mark ?


with respect to my original question, I wanted to know if there had been any talk to extend the variant block to gltds. I don't think there has been so far.

thanks

555 23rd June 2010 09:23 PM

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Not sure i understood your question.

The main reason variants are blocked is to prevent confusion.
From an end user point of view confusion is confusion, regardless of if it is a cctld or gtld it occurs on.
idn gtld's are definitely going to get the same treatment, not because i say so or anyone else, but because any other treatment = confusion.
This was confirmed at several occasions, lmk if you need to see anything and if you do try and be more specific and maybe use examples?

BTW, to anyone reading this, if you don't understand what's going on, ask , or as RD said not too long ago, it soon will only matter to you for educational purposes.

This place seems very quiet, it's looking like we entered the denial stage.

tee1 23rd June 2010 09:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Bericht 163891)
with respect to my original question, I wanted to know if there had been any talk to extend the variant block to gltds. I don't think there has been so far.

thanks

I think it was answered in the audio post above. One of the members asked will/can the synchronized variant table be extended to the GTLDs. The gentleman from Russia (Andrea??? not sure on the name) answered "Of Course" his tone indicated to me that the person asking the question already knew the answer. I took it that he just wanted it in the notes or on the record. JMO

555 23rd June 2010 09:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tee1 (Bericht 163893)
(Andrea??? not sure on the name)

Chuck Gomes (gnso chairman and verisign naming vp) asked Andrei Kolesnikov (gnso member and cctld.ru general director)
One of many written examples on the topic, this one from latest new gtld v4:
http://www.icann.com/en/topics/new-g...28may10-en.pdf

4.7 IDN Variants Handling. If Registry Operator offers Internationalized Domain Names (IDN), the
Variant Table and Registration Policy must be deposited with the IANA IDN Practices Repository,
see [9].
Depending on the Registration Policy in place in the Registry; for a particular IDN, there may be
multiple variant domains either registered, reserved or blocked:
(1) If the IDN variant is actually registered, bundled with its canonical domain name in the Registry
system, the variant shall be tagged as “registered”.
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MAY 2010 DRAFT NEW GTLD AGREEMENT SPECIFICATIONS
Subject to public comment
(2) If only the holder of the canonical domain name is allowed to register the IDN variant but it is not
actually registered, the variant shall be tagged as “reserved”.
(3) If the IDN variant is considered undesirable for registration, the variant shall be tagged as
“blocked”.

squirrel 23rd June 2010 10:10 PM

Re: IDN gTLD discussion
 
thanks Tim, 555

555 23rd June 2010 10:19 PM

Re: IDN gTLD discussion
 
A couple additional examples:
I believe this is the 1st time specific relevant examples were used:
http://www.idnforums.com/forums/2422...gnso-idng.html Which led to that interview Aaron did with Chuck Gomes: http://idnblog.com/2009/12/03/exclus...omes-verisign/

squirrel 23rd June 2010 10:27 PM

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this is top level variant, my question was with respect to 2nd level variant (which your jpeg was about)

555 23rd June 2010 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Bericht 163906)
this is top level variant, my question was with respect to 2nd level variant (which your jpeg was about)

Same "Causing confusion" reasoning applies to second level idn's as well.
i.e Chinese where many names are blocked because one of (either Simplified or Traditional) is regged.
More on SLD IDN Variants:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yao...lementation-00
http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/f...18feb09-en.pdf

squirrel 23rd June 2010 11:08 PM

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yes, thx ;)

Avtal 24th June 2010 06:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 555 (Bericht 163905)
A couple additional examples:
I believe this is the 1st time specific relevant examples were used:
http://www.idnforums.com/forums/2422...gnso-idng.html Which led to that interview Aaron did with Chuck Gomes: http://idnblog.com/2009/12/03/exclus...omes-verisign/

I may be getting confused. I understand that "variants" means, for example, simplified versus traditional Chinese. These variants will be specified in a "variants table".

But Chuck Gomes (in the postings you cited) is talking about IDN versions of .com. If I'm not mistaken, [.com in IDN] is not a variant of .com, it is a translation.

Though variants and translations may be handled by similar mechanisms (DNAMES, BNAMES), I believe they are not the same thing, from ICANN's point of view. So some of the ICANN discussions may apply to one but not the other.

Like everyone else who has been paying attention, I believe that [.com in IDN] is coming. But I'm trying to get better at reading the tea leaves, so that I can understand the timing more clearly.

Thanks for all the informative posts!

Avtal

Rubber Duck 24th June 2010 04:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Bericht 163891)
I've been following RD, thank you for your support. What have you been up to lately, you don't seem to post much since you passed the 13000 mark ?


with respect to my original question, I wanted to know if there had been any talk to extend the variant block to gltds. I don't think there has been so far.

thanks

How can you extend something to something that is already the same thing. Yes, I did answer the question. You just didn't read it right.

A IDN ccTLD is a bloody New gTLD that is the whole bloody point!

yanni 24th June 2010 04:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck (Bericht 163940)
A IDN ccTLD is a bloody New gTLD that is the whole bloody point!

By definition they're not the same, regardless if he same variant block rules are applied to both.

Rubber Duck 24th June 2010 05:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yanni (Bericht 163941)
By definition they're not the same, regardless if he same variant block rules are applied to both.

Another one, who just hasn't got it. The Fastrack is a fastrack within the New gTLD programme. If you actually had read the interminable discussions on this subject, then you would know that.

Rockruler 24th June 2010 05:52 PM

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It's actually more entertaining to picture the veins on RD's forehead popping as he writes his scathing retorts rather than try to understand this whole bureaucratic cluster****. I don't see any real investors flocking to IDN until they've got it locked down. Too many ifs/whens/unknowns.

yanni 24th June 2010 05:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck (Bericht 163944)
Another one, who just hasn't got it. The Fastrack is a fastrack within the New gTLD programme. If you actually had read the interminable discussions on this subject, then you would know that.

Just in case you didn't notice, my comment was about something irrelevant to what you are commenting on. But, hey....:rolleyes:


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