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Old 30th July 2010, 08:48 PM
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Russian .ком domains

I am not selling any .ком domains at this time.
Just wanted to share with you that if you google .ком you will get over 16.5M search results of people advertising their russianascii.com in russianIDN.ком. still a long way to reach .ru search results but pretty impressive for something that hasn't been released yet.

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Old 30th July 2010, 09:09 PM
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Re: Russian .ком domains

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Old 30th July 2010, 09:43 PM
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Re: Russian .ком domains

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I am not selling any .ком domains at this time.
Just wanted to share with you that if you google .ком you will get over 16.5M search results of people advertising their russianascii.com in russianIDN.ком. still a long way to reach .ru search results but pretty impressive for something that hasn't been released yet.

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Yep. They've been doing this for awhile now. Japanese do this as well.

They also advertise .нет and .орг.
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Old 30th July 2010, 10:22 PM
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Re: Russian .ком domains

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Yep. They've been doing this for awhile now. Japanese do this as well.

They also advertise .нет and .орг.
Be carefull with the .net. Looks like solid keyword.net don't really matter. the results show way more of .net meaning "NO", so the domain like недвижимости.net (means No Real estate.) would make perfect keyword in .net, but not in .ком. Looks like its a completely different beat happening for .net

also notice the pickup in traffic for the domains that are properly regged in .net.

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Re: Russian .ком domains

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Just wanted to share with you that if you google .ком you will get over 16.5M search results of people advertising their russianascii.com in russianIDN.ком. still a long way to reach .ru search results but pretty impressive for something that hasn't been released yet.
Some of these people are in for a surprise. Even if the owner of primer .com displays "пример .ком" everywhere on his site, that doesn't mean that he actually owns пример .com. When пример .com converts to пример .ком 12 months from now, the owner of primer .com could find that he suddenly has a branding problem.

As for .net, I'll be interested to see if Verisign chooses .нет as the Cyrillic equivalent. If they instead go for something like .сеть, the owners of "clever" domains like денег .net ("no money") will also be out of luck.

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Old 31st July 2010, 05:24 AM
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Some of these people are in for a surprise. Even if the owner of primer .com displays "пример .ком" everywhere on his site, that doesn't mean that he actually owns пример .com. When пример .com converts to пример .ком 12 months from now, the owner of primer .com could find that he suddenly has a branding problem.

As for .net, I'll be interested to see if Verisign chooses .нет as the Cyrillic equivalent. If they instead go for something like .сеть, the owners of "clever" domains like денег .net ("no money") will also be out of luck.

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.сеть is questionable also, probably more useful for technology and social networking, blogs..... so it is limited in a sense of branding .net looks like an already existing trend. I can't see zaytsev.net becoming зайцев.сеть. It won't make any sense and will destroy a lot of already existing brands.

Also look at the quality of those domains, probably 85% of the names in .ком search results are 2nd and 3rd grade domains. Very few premium and prime names have been developed up until now, so most likely a lot will still be available in .ком once the system converts. In regards to the ones who advertise .ком without owning it, yes they are going to have to buy them out or use ascii, and the worst is for the sites that brand with domains like iТелки.ком or RUспорт.kom

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Re: Russian .ком domains

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..In regards to the ones who advertise .ком without owning it, yes they are going to have to buy them out or use ascii..
I think we will see a lot of pissed off people and an equal number of wipos/udrps filed as these people will assume they have some sort of god-given right.

It's going to get interesting.
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I think we will see a lot of pissed off people and an equal number of wipos/udrps filed as these people will assume they have some sort of god-given right.

It's going to get interesting.
If the Russian authorities create a local UDRP panel to arbitrate .ком disputes, it will get very interesting.

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It's Verisign's job to decide which UDRP providers are used.

Luckily.
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Re: Russian .ком domains

Given that verisign is supposed to be getting the "equivalent meaning (or abbrev of such)" in the local language, I don't think .нет is a starter - the language panel at ICANN will say bzzzzzzzzzzt! That's a transliteration, not translation.

Plus .no (Norway) may complain

What other viable options are there, apart from .сеть ? I can't see any.
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Re: Russian .ком domains

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Given that verisign is supposed to be getting the "equivalent meaning (or abbrev of such)" in the local language, I don't think .нет is a starter - the language panel at ICANN will say bzzzzzzzzzzt! That's a transliteration, not translation.

Plus .no (Norway) may complain

What other viable options are there, apart from .сеть ? I can't see any.
.нет is not a transliteration its actually means No in Russian. Lot of Brands have already developed around it as my previous example http://www.zaycev.net/
Their slogan translates зайцев.нет "no rabbits, but we have mp3s"
If it becomes anything else but .нет probable more then half of current .net websites in Russia will become obsolete.

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Re: Russian .ком domains

net <- transliteration <- нет -> translation -> no

It matters not that half of the current .net websites in Russian will become obsolete. Verisign will not get .нет because it isn't an abbreviation of the translation of "network". The language panel at ICANN won't allow it.

Same as .tv not getting any "television" equivalents as IDN ccTLD's - they can only get translations of "Tuvalu".

Someone is quite welcome to apply for a gTLD .нет but it will have to be a fresh application, and would probably be rejected for being too close to the existing .net gTLD.

Verisign may well decide to apply for it, but it'll be separate to their application for .сеть

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Re: Russian .ком domains

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net <- transliteration <- нет -> translation -> no

It matters not that half of the current .net websites in Russian will become obsolete. Verisign will not get .нет because it isn't an abbreviation of the translation of "network". The language panel at ICANN won't allow it.

Same as .tv not getting any "television" equivalents as IDN ccTLD's - they can only get translations of "Tuvalu".

Someone is quite welcome to apply for a gTLD .нет but it will have to be a fresh application, and would probably be rejected for being too close to the existing .net gTLD.

Verisign may well decide to apply for it, but it'll be separate to their application for .сеть

So if what you are saying is correct, it pretty much translates to all the domains currently registered in .net which will become .сеть will be useless. It will be very limited on branding.
.Tv are also garbage, they will not be translated to TV in all languages.

Was there an indication of some sort from ICANN that .net will get .сеть?
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Re: Russian .ком domains

Read part 3.3 of http://icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-...16nov09-en.pdf

That's the "meaningfulness requirement" for IDN ccTLD's

I would expect gTLD variant applications will have the same requirement - .com variants will have to mean "commerce" , .net variants will have to mean "network" and .org variants will have to mean "organisation".
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Re: Russian .ком domains

If there is demonstrable useage to mean dot Net then it will be allowed. I am not able to comment whether that is the case.

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net <- transliteration <- нет -> translation -> no

It matters not that half of the current .net websites in Russian will become obsolete. Verisign will not get .нет because it isn't an abbreviation of the translation of "network". The language panel at ICANN won't allow it.

Same as .tv not getting any "television" equivalents as IDN ccTLD's - they can only get translations of "Tuvalu".

Someone is quite welcome to apply for a gTLD .нет but it will have to be a fresh application, and would probably be rejected for being too close to the existing .net gTLD.

Verisign may well decide to apply for it, but it'll be separate to their application for .сеть

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.Tv are also garbage, they will not be translated to TV in all languages.
It's a cctld. They have to follow different rules than a gtld. Right now they are only allowed translations for their native lanugages. .co is spanish. .cc is Māori. et cetera. They aren't allowed to translate their extensions into Russian, Japanese, or any other language. LatinIDN in most extensions will be okay; but registering Russian.eu is a little risky.

Frankly, I'm a little concerned about some other gtlds. Like .biz for example. WTF is a "BIZ" in another language; hell WTF is it in English?


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If there is demonstrable useage to mean dot Net then it will be allowed. I am not able to comment whether that is the case.
I would have to agree with this.

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.biz is a (terrrible) abbreviation for "business" and will likely get translations for that - which might make it especially worthwhile in CJK.
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If .net becomes .сеть Americans will be blamed again for ruining Russian economy. This is more serious then it sounds. boycott for .kom is possible.

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.biz is a (terrrible) abbreviation for "business" and will likely get translations for that - which might make it especially worthwhile in CJK.
Any extension needs to be established as a brand. It is possible that this could happen but not very likely in my opinion.
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.biz is a (terrrible) abbreviation for "business" and will likely get translations for that - which might make it especially worthwhile in CJK.
Yes, but what if someone applies for .business? It's hardly confusable with .biz. So, it's a possibility. Then wouldn't .business get the first chance to own IDN.IDNbusiness?
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