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I think if Hindi IDN investors don't develop some of their Hindi IDN now, It may be tool late.Indian registry may release .bharat (भारत) within a year or two.Before this happen HINDI IDN.com should establish itself.I have put together my thoughts on blog post.

http://visibleblog.blogspot.com/2010...hindi-com.html
Looking for fellow domainers opinion about it.what you think?
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I think if Hindi IDN investors don't develop some of their Hindi IDN now, It may be tool late.Indian registry may release .bharat (भारत) within a year or two.Before this happen HINDI IDN.com should establish itself.I have put together my thoughts on blog post.

http://visibleblog.blogspot.com/2010...hindi-com.html
Looking for fellow domainers opinion about it.what you think?
We are really really scared. Not!

Anyway, we went through all this development milarky with Japanese. Didn't make a blind bit of difference from what I could see. If there Hindi keyword advertising out there, it might make a cash return, but there isn't as yet, so it won't.
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re: Its high time you should develop your Hindi IDN

1. I think Japanese tld.tld was not launched when content on japanese IDN.com was developed. Correct me I am wrong.Is Japanes IDN.jp aliased?
2. Here you have no content on Hindi IDN.com or .net,when aliased indianidn.in read[..भारत'] will be released what incentive undeveloped कॉम provides that it would be widely used over . भारत
3. I know there is little incentive in developing Hindi IDN from adsense per se,but I am advocating it to develop a portion of your portfolio.Its like buying insurance for Hindi IDN.com investment.
4 To start with one may chose to invest between 200$-500$/per site.If you have invested even 1000$ for 5-8 years [or plan to invest, why not spare some money and "insure" your existing investment.
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Well, no point anyway, as I have reliably been informed that all non-speakers bought a crock of shit.


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1. I think Japanese tld.tld was not launched when content on japanese IDN.com was developed. Correct me I am wrong.Is Japanes IDN.jp aliased?
2. Here you have no content on Hindi IDN.com or .net,when aliased indianidn.in read[..भारत'] will be released what incentive undeveloped कॉम provides that it would be widely used over . भारत
3. I know there is little incentive in developing Hindi IDN from adsense per se,but I am advocating it to develop a portion of your portfolio.Its like buying insurance for Hindi IDN.com investment.
4 To start with one may chose to invest between 200$-500$/per site.If you have invested even 1000$ for 5-8 years [or plan to invest, why not spare some money and "insure" your existing investment.
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Well, no point anyway, as I have reliably been informed that all non-speakers bought a crock of shit.
they bought that from native speakers. There is an eBay group of guys in India who you should all thank for selling you crocks of shit. I delt with a few of them on line before, its a good thing I prepared myself with a few native speaker on my side.
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Re: Its high time you should develop your Hindi IDN

cross language expertise and investment are NOT the same thing.

German: 40% of dot DE have hyphens

Russian : hyphens are very very important in a % of terms, and others not so.
but use of a hyphen in Russian could be crucial for branding.
but buying the xxxxx-yyyy and the xxxxxyyyy in Russian is a risk mgmt method.

Arabic: Hyphens are crucial for 2 and 3 word domains. Period.
Arabic combined improperly is gibberish.

Hindi: Hyphens are crucial for a % of domains, but 2 word combinations can be appropriate even if Google returns zero results for SEO.
'movies', film, cinema, as the 2nd word is an example .


Native speakers are experts in language and culture.
But I am not convinced that brilliant people are instant brilliant IDN investors or web developers for that matter.


Katakana for TV.com in Japanese sold this week for $7700 as reported by Aaron and Gary.


Will CBS who owns TV.com want it ?
Will NHK want it ?


who knows ?


Dozens of Chinese have told me that IDN's are ridiculous for China, since so many have adjusted to ASCII.

As I have written before, Hindi IDN's designed for ease of use for the masses using mobile phone browsers is the strategy that I intend in a year or so.
Until then....I am focused on the markets that have interest.


Thinking that IDNers can move markets, is noble, but not valid so far.

Let's see if the needle moves in Russia and Arabic speaking nations.

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Re: Its high time you should develop your Hindi IDN

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Well, no point anyway, as I have reliably been informed that all non-speakers bought a crock of shit.
I have helped a member of this forum to identify and rate "must drop","neutral value","okay","good domain" and "great domain" domains in his portfolio.If I can be any help let me know.Certainly, it needs local language skill to tell the name make sense in local perspective or not.Also, I have seen some names in aforesaid portfolio that is plural variants.Generally, plural variation of many word in Hindi are more than one based on usage of the word in sentence.While online translators can give meaning.it tells nothing about actual usage.
I am sure there are good names in everyone portfolio worth development.Coming back to original topic, Won't it be great if 1000 Hindi IDN .com investors commit to develop just one domain each.In my opinion, it will be great publicity for Hindi IDN.com.
While it may not bring direct revenue to you at this point in time,it will receive a lot of publicity among Hindi Blogger (first truly developed Hindi IDN domain!:-) and India bloggers.Whose knows mainstream media may pick the story as well.That may bring huge traffic to your site.You can always provide link to your other sides on developed Hindi DIN sites.So,incentives are there not direct though.And it will buy "insurance" to remaining domains in your portfolio,as I said before.
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I have helped a member of this forum to identify and rate "must drop","neutral value","okay","good domain" and "great domain" domains in his portfolio.If I can be any help let me know.Certainly, it needs local language skill to tell the name make sense in local perspective or not.Also, I have seen some names in aforesaid portfolio that is plural variants.Generally, plural variation of many word in Hindi are more than one based on usage of the word in sentence.While online translators can give meaning.it tells nothing about actual usage.
I am sure there are good names in everyone portfolio worth development.Coming back to original topic, Won't it be great if 1000 Hindi IDN .com investors commit to develop just one domain each.In my opinion, it will be great publicity for Hindi IDN.com.
While it may not bring direct revenue to you at this point in time,it will receive a lot of publicity among Hindi Blogger (first truly developed Hindi IDN domain!:-) and India bloggers.Whose knows mainstream media may pick the story as well.That may bring huge traffic to your site.You can always provide link to your other sides on developed Hindi DIN sites.So,incentives are there not direct though.And it will buy "insurance" to remaining domains in your portfolio,as I said before.
The problem is that there are not 1000 investors, just a few clueless foreigners.
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Re: Its high time you should develop your Hindi IDN

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cross language expertise and investment are NOT the same thing.

Thinking that IDNers can move markets, is noble, but not valid so far.

Let's see if the needle moves in Russia and Arabic speaking nations.

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Internet and Mobile Association of India,has published a study on number of local language website on Internet. It found only 713 true Hindi websites exists on internet! Read the report-Its PDF Methodology used in collection of data and accuracy of the claim can be debated.
But its no denying fact,that Number of Hindi website is very low at this moment.So,I do think we domain holders can influence it in great way if we can produce even 500 content based websites.Once Google results starts showing pages from Hindi IDN domains, .com Hindi IDN will get true recognition.Yes, because we have very few Hindi site,I do believe we can make an impact here.

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Have you taken the first step yourself? Can you show us some sites?
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Internet and Mobile Association of India,has published a study on number of local language website on Internet. It found only 713 true Hindi websites exists on internet! Read the report-Its PDF Methodology used in collection of data and accuracy of the claim can be debated.
But its no denying fact,that Number of Hindi website is very low at this moment.So,I do think we domain holders can influence it in great way if we can produce even 500 content based websites.Once Google results starts showing pages from Hindi IDN domains, .com Hindi IDN will get true recognition.Yes, because we have very few Hindi site,I do believe we can make an impact here.
Come up with a survey that is less than 3 years old then you may have some credibility.

The number of Hindi sites that have been indexed by Google have grown exponentially since that time.

I believe Google actually didn't index sites until that adopted standard encodement, so many are conversions rather than real.

Even back then the numbers were laughable.

But what do I know, I am just an ignorant foreigner
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Have you taken the first step yourself? Can you show us some sites?
I think you have misunderstood. He obviously wants you to stump up a Grand whilst he bungs up a mini-site, which hopefully you don't understand anyway.

Or maybe you will get lucky and have Bullion.com cloned into Hindi?
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Have you taken the first step yourself? Can you show us some sites?
I have mentioned in my post:
"I have not invested in Hindi .com IDN, a lot but I do have 4 Hindi IDN.com. 3 are one letter .com which are better left undeveloped. I am planning to register my 5th one soon (yes, I have decided the name) and develop it.That’s means I will develop 20% of my portfolio, are you committing to develop at least 10% of your portfolio? "

No answer is I have not yet developed any Hindi IDN website.I do have some XOOPS CMS based website which I developed as hobby(In English) and currently working on an English site(not hobby but mainstream) based on Joomla CMS.
After this will start working on my First Hindi IDN domain based website.Did you want to know If I can develop sites?Did I answer your question?
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Come up with a survey that is less than 3 years old then you may have some credibility.

The number of Hindi sites that have been indexed by Google have grown exponentially since that time.

I believe Google actually didn't index sites until that adopted standard encodement, so many are conversions rather than real.

Even back then the numbers were laughable.

But what do I know, I am just an ignorant foreigner
Survey was released in Dec 2008.So, IT's 1.5 years old.I myself is debating the methodology used in study we can debate on exact number that is 731(As per study).But value is real low,and with low value I think we domainers can make an impact if we can develop 500 websites.Come on,Its not me who had written the survey report.It is by Indian industry for Internet players.Why they will intentionally want to reduce the numbers of sites.


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I think you have misunderstood. He obviously wants you to stump up a Grand whilst he bungs up a mini-site, which hopefully you don't understand anyway.

Or maybe you will get lucky and have Bullion.com cloned into Hindi?
Did I say hire me to develop your site.Develop it with anyone you like.I won't mind developing it for you if you want.
Its your decision to develop minisite or full site.I do have ascii Hindi minisite.
http://www.premchand.org
as well as a few English site which I developed as Hobby.All of them uses Xoops CMS.
http://genuine.in
http://4321.in
http://bharat.name
Currently working on a site (a serious development not hobby)
http://onlinetax.co.in
Did I answer your question?

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@catchnames

Would you like me to edit and correct your earlier post, it reads you only have 4 Hindi IDNs, I assume you omitted a word i.e. "hundred"

Do let me know, because after all that foreplay you posted, as it reads right now you look like rather silly and your credibility has evaporated.
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Would you like me to edit and correct your earlier post, it reads you only have 4 Hindi IDNs, I assume you omitted a word i.e. "hundred"

Do let me know, because after all that foreplay you posted, as it reads right now you look like rather silly and your credibility has evaporated.
1. Did you read my first post [link in the first post of this thread]
2. I currently have just 4 name, I am registering the 5th one which planning to develop.
3.How number of domains is related with credibility of my statements.I have given reasons and data for my argument.You can come up with a reason to counter me.
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Development is good...but eventually consumers will see idn.idn and idn.com and they will be adopted to go alongside english.com and english.in names.

India is a BIG place, over a billion people, they are going to need a LOT of domain names.
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they bought that from native speakers. There is an eBay group of guys in India who you should all thank for selling you crocks of shit. I delt with a few of them on line before, its a good thing I prepared myself with a few native speaker on my side.
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Which coast is that on then and are flights cheap?
cheaper then what you spent on Hindi IDNs
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they bought that from native speakers. There is an eBay group of guys in India who you should all thank for selling you crocks of shit. I delt with a few of them on line before, its a good thing I prepared myself with a few native speaker on my side.
I think the point here is the majority of native speaking Indian domainers (mostly voiced at namepros) give Indian IDNs zero chance of success. They emphatically believe the Indian internet will always be based on Engish language and english urls.
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