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Old 18th August 2010, 03:12 PM
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WindOfChange@DomenForum?

Long time since the "famous" alex then domenforum.net owner thread, i came across this one today: http://domenforum.net/showthread.php?t=108821

The guy is basically asking where he can reg idn's, explaining he never regged any and wants to reg some.

In searchengines.ru it's also looking much different then what it was a couple years ago.
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Long time since the "famous" alex then domenforum.net owner thread, i came across this one today: http://domenforum.net/showthread.php?t=108821 The guy is basically asking where he can reg idn's, explaining he never regged any and wants to reg some. In searchengines.ru it's also looking much different then what it was a couple years ago.
Curious if there any IDN sales on their forum? What is he looking or in particular.

Any mention of .РФ which has been mainstream news in Russia.

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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

.coms and .nets
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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

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Curious if there any IDN sales on their forum? What is he looking or in particular.

Any mention of .РФ which has been mainstream news in Russia.
Some recent IDN discussions on searchengines.ru (the Russian equivilant to webmasterworld or similar)

The domain grab in .рф: http://forum.searchengines.ru/showthread.php?t=519594
This guy even wrote the president about it :D http://forum.searchengines.ru/showthread.php?t=530683

I see plenty of new names of Russian based natives on idn registrations, also many organizations i.e uefa have started actively registering idn's.

On 5/5/09, i started a thread on searchengines.ru, wanted to get some reaction out of them, wasn't too hard, they sounded different then: http://forum.searchengines.ru/showth...53#post4798553

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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

And at the eleventh hour Russian domainers finally get it. Such a brilliant group.

And they were so nice about it when they posted here too.

I guess when you are sitting on thousands of ascii.ru's that are about to be WORTHLESS. Just stick your head deeper in the sand!

Sorry Chaps, you were beaten in your own language.

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And at the eleventh hour Russian domainers finally get it. Such a brilliant group.

And they were so nice about it when they posted here too.

I guess when you are sitting on thousands of ascii.ru's that are about to be WORTHLESS. Just stick your head deeper in the sand!

Sorry Chaps, you were beaten in your own language.
still 50/50.
Still anybody's game.
the worst .rf can cost more then best .com
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still 50/50.
Still anybody's game.
The best domains will go to auction and to investors with deep pockets or companies bidding on them for advertising, not to these guys. Many have been taken already with "questionable" trademark applications by the registry's own admission. Then many more great generics registered by companies in the previous two .rf registration stages. Then many more great generics cant even be registered because they are blacklisted.

Good luck you guys. lol.

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Wow. Now someone has lost it. We've already seen a 200k+ russian sale, then there was a 60k russian sale the other week. And you are telling me that the worst generic .rf is going to beat those benchmarks? Pass me that stuff you are smoking.

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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

but how do you know? .rf is not out yet to the public.
Its all up to the Russian media and the public.
It all looks realy nice right now, sale here, sale there, but 5 years from now ? No one will care how one obtained it, but how can one make money on it.

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Logically, Russia does not understand
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"My mind does not understand Russia" - a poem (quatrain), written on Nov. 28, 1866 poet Fyodor Tyutchev:

Logically, Russia does not understand
Not common yardstick to measure:
She has a special -
In Russia one can only believe.

One of the characteristics of the Russian state and Russian mentality [1], underlining a certain irrational behavior. An element of the literary image of "the mysterious Russian soul", wearing a romantic character, as opposed to negative, for example, Bismarck: "Never make war with the Russian. On your every stratagem they answer unpredictable folly "[2].

Former French president Jacques Chirac awarded the State Prize of Russia, read the lines from Tyutcheva "Intellectually Russia does not understand ..." [3].

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but how do you know? .rf is not out yet to the public.
Its all up to the Russian media and the public.
Oh, I'm under no delusion. .rf will be bigger in terms of "developed" sites than .kom. The Kremlin would rather block .com than let that happen. But .kom will be used and advertised. It will be known and used.

My question is. How much do you think domain names sell for? We'll see a couple million dollar sales in the coming years I'm sure. But 200k and 60k are "market" prices and f-ing awesome ROI.

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Oh, I'm under no delusion .rf will be bigger in terms of "developed" sites than .kom. The Kremlin would rather block .com than let that happen. But .kom will be used and advertised. It will be known and used.

My question is. How much do you think domain names sell for? We'll see a couple million dollar sales in the coming years I'm sure. But 200k and 60k are "market" prices and f-ing awesome ROI.
refer back to the poem above. :D
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refer back to the poem above. :D
tl;dr

I doubt it has to do with end-user prices.

Who knows? They could be sold for BILLIONS! :p
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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

arguing about Russian idn dot com vs. idn.idn RF/po is beyond me.


at $8 / reg. the roi is firm.

com/KOM will be fine for Russian speakers around the world.
Ukraine/ Georgia.....etc.....

just like idn.com will be strong for use for Chinese speakers beyond the PRC...

cctld's have government risk. Period.

com/net have government blockage risk (non Western nations....)

enjoy the ride...

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Who knows? They could be sold for BILLIONS! :p[/QUOTE]

In Russia I believe!!!
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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

.com/.קום/.ком needs no introduction, not in Russia or anywhere else in the world.

Keep in mind that in addition to the risk of government(s) taking .рф (or other ccTLD) domains from the registrant (i.e the Russian government took control of Sochi.ru a few months ago), Porn content is prohibited on .рф domains and Geo's with no commercial content are all reserved to the various cities/regions of Russia.

If anyone doubts the growing local interest specific to .ком idn's, This thread was started by RussianDomainer, where you will still surely find "dibilizem" by several natives who have very limited knowledge on the topic and very poor reasoning as to why idn's are evil but overall the positive thoughts are much greater then the 0 or even negative only opinions we all saw in the past, in all forums pretty much (i.e FuckingMoonies) http://forum.searchengines.ru/showthread.php?t=527170

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The quality of users of Russian domain forums is very low. Lots of NamePros type of users. Very low value trading of domains. And a culture that still doesn't understand how markets work.
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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

Russian domain investors and SEO are at cross purposes right now, and for a period of time after Verisign gets the gtld of KOM for com.

latinized dot com / latinized dot RU now have 2 emerging marketing gorillas.

idn.PO is still RF. And latinized RF is non starter.

So, fear and CAP LOCK posting is the choice of so called experts realizing the worst.


russian dot com/KOM is simple straightforward, and transparent as a reg opp, and as a 2ndary market.

IDN dot PO is pocked with TM abuses so far...


The Geo opportunity for russian IDN dot com, is simply amazing alone.

Moonie = Муни ?????


2 years ago, someone posted that dot net confusion alone means the dot com/KOM will fail........

oh well...........


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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

hmm, from my understanding of this thread is that lots of people are pissed of at webnames.ru and regtime are selling them fake .kom's that they now announced is going to be a sub-domain of .RF and some kind of a browser plugin is needed other wise it will just point to the real .kom's.
I would be pissed too if godaddy or dynadot sold me a portfolio of fake domains. :o
They would be in jail by now if it was North America.

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They would be in jail by now if it was North America.
I'm not sure they would be in jail.

One way of creating TLDs not sanctioned by ICANN to use an Alternative DNS Root. Several companies provide such a service.

For instance, here is a company that will allow you to create a new IDN TLD for a mere 50,000 euros. To access these non-ICANN TLDs, you have to use the browser that the company provides.

Not something I would spend my money on, but apparently not illegal.

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Re: WindOfChange@DomenForum?

yep, mother f***RS are doing it through an i-client,
http://iclient.ru/

typed in машина.com i-client took me to i-dns.net page where I can reg машина.com

Legal or not, it is confusing the crap out of people.

http://www.webnames.ru/technology.pl
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yep, mother f***RS are doing it through an i-client,
http://iclient.ru/

typed in машина.com i-client took me to i-dns.net page where I can reg машина.com

Legal or not, it is confusing the crap out of people.

http://www.webnames.ru/technology.pl


Webnames.ru:
IDN (Internationalized Domain Names - Многоязычные Доменные Имена) - (Multilingual Domain Names)

Wikipedia:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN
IDN — (англ. Internationalized Domain Names — Интернационализованные Доменные Имена)-(Internationalized Domain Names)

so every one calls it how they want to call it?

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