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Old 10th May 2006, 11:59 AM
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Things slowing down?

Hey guys did I notice that things are slowing down recently?
I think registration is up
I think pageviews are up
A few good domains are being bought

But in the whole I think I'm seeing less & less listings.

I'm not exactly saying this is a bad thing or anything.

I think this month & last I might not have done any auctions & only did a few sale postings.

Personally I haven't had much free time at night. I think for the first time I've been buying more from people than selling in numbers myself.

Anyway want to see what's up... Is the IDN wells of domains drying up? Did we already get them all?
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Re: Things slowing down?

One line of thinking is that an IDN holder would only sell if he could spend that money to reg more. Since quality names are mostly gone, a pressure to sell is just not that strong.
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Re: Things slowing down?

I was thinking this too. It's likely now that IDN (via IDNF anyway) won't get a mention in DNJ next week or for some time, it really has slowed down IMO.
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Re: Things slowing down?

A lot of people that registered much earlier (last year or earlier) have sold whatever they can sell.

And a lot of domains on sale right now are basically registered only a few days or weeks ago, and with an $xxxx price tag.

Lots of fishing...but give another few more weeks, once they realize they can't sell, price will start tumbling to even reg fee.

I would bet this would happen by the end of this month or early next month.


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Re: Things slowing down?

The duck flys back in next week. He'll be selling still I suppose.
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Re: Things slowing down?

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Hey guys did I notice that things are slowing down recently?
I Is the IDN wells of domains drying up? Did we already get them all?
I was thinking exactly the same thing, few listings a lot of B grade idns. Or, sellers asking a lot ($10,000 each for these- http://www.dnforum.com/f318/net-net-...ad-151296.html. Because seller left out the (. ) in his post, I pm'd him if he meant $100.00 or $10000 and it was $10K! He says he is sticking to his prices if it takes 10 years...

THE WELL?? I don't think the IDN well is anywhere near drying up. You just have to work a bit harder, and be a bit more creative to find them. Or for the new guys, partner up with others and share resources. Many idn's we try and reg in Chinese that are taken, we find are open in Japanese, or Thai. In particular this is true of two word combos. I think the figure of idns vs. ascii booked is something like 700k to 50 million ascii (anyone know for sure??).

$10,000,000 PORFOLIOS- At least 9 people here at IDNF put the "current" value of their portfolio at this range and up (self not included). With the upcoming release of IE7 many are probably holding their porfolios, not wanting to sell now, and kick themselves a year from now.

SUMMARY: Psychologically I think people are in the wait and see mode for the mid-term, probably at least until the end of the year. We may also see some selling to cover 2nd year reg. fees starting beginning of next year.

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Lots of fishing...but give another few more weeks, once they realize they can't sell, price will start tumbling to even reg fee. I would bet this would happen by the end of this month or early next month..
The BIG dump will come when reg fees start kicking...I don't think that will happen until late in year myself since that is when things really started rolling. Although you may be right that some will sell off at reg fee to "upgrade" the money into better terms. In retrospect I have been seeing a bit of that now.

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Re: Things slowing down?

There are too many junks floating around and asking for $x,xxx. This is not helpful at this stage of IDN. I sold [camera].com $4,000, but 他妈的.net is on sale asking $5,000. Camera is a hot item industrial name, while 他妈的.net is not even worth the reg fee. Westerners like these type of names, but remember Chinese have a very different searching behaviour, they don't search curse names. Most names (on sale) regged after February were regged with Westerners in mind, they are not what the Chinese (the real market) want. These names will hurt investment drive later, when investors discover the "garbage" in their possession.

We are at the new frontier of domaining, what we can do now will greatly affect the development of IDN.
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Re: Things slowing down?

Well, Giant, congratuate on your sale of "camera'.com for $4k. But no offense, there is nothing wrong for people to price tag each name at any price. Yes, I agree that 他妈的.net probably don't worth $5k... I post that because I see a lot of people post idns in $xx,xxx range.

I am still sort of new in this IDN market (only 2 weeks). I have been reading a lot of buying and selling before then... but definitely this 2 weeks, I am seeing less and less.
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Re: Things slowing down?

There are a few things I do see. Buyers and Sellers alike just sitting on their idns hoping the sky turns from rain to dropping gold coins is one of them. In order for a market to materialize sites need to be built. Considering the internet is devoid of a serious IDN site that has ranking and popularity there is a hole to be filled. Public awareness is the most important thing right now and this isn't being tackled.

Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.

The only thing hurting the investment drive, as it was put, is there is nothing serious being done in the public eyes to give them any value. We have the browser in Japanese, Arabic, Spanish, ect... Isn't it time to get some sites built?
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Re: Things slowing down?

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Well, Giant, congratuate on your sale of "camera'.com for $4k. But no offense, there is nothing wrong for people to price tag each name at any price. Yes, I agree that 他妈的.net probably don't worth $5k... I post that because I see a lot of people post idns in $xx,xxx range.

I am still sort of new in this IDN market (only 2 weeks). I have been reading a lot of buying and selling before then... but definitely this 2 weeks, I am seeing less and less.
I use your sales for a general example, I am not blaming you in particular. You have your freedom to do that, but I also have my freedom to suggest something to maintain a reasonable and healthy IDN market.

Why Dell don't sell their computers crazily expensive? Because computer business is in a "healthy" state. IDN is not, we should try to make it as "healthy" as possible.
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Re: Things slowing down?

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Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.
.. Isn't it time to get some sites built?

Could not have said it better , There will always be issues with people whom hold a smaller amount of good names, naturally they will put more value on them then people who have hundreds of good names , the market is filled with a buch of different people, and like sarcle says you just cant complain about it , time to build sites and let the currency of the World rain on us
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Re: Things slowing down?

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There are a few things I do see. Buyers and Sellers alike just sitting on their idns hoping the sky turns from rain to dropping gold coins is one of them. In order for a market to materialize sites need to be built. Considering the internet is devoid of a serious IDN site that has ranking and popularity there is a hole to be filled. Public awareness is the most important thing right now and this isn't being tackled.

Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.

The only thing hurting the investment drive, as it was put, is there is nothing serious being done in the public eyes to give them any value. We have the browser in Japanese, Arabic, Spanish, ect... Isn't it time to get some sites built?
No doubt, some good sites will help. But you 're talking to the wrong people. Domain name investors and site developers are 2 different kinds of people, requiring different talents.

Site development is a long term strategy requiring a lot of planning, but reasonable trading rules are in need now and can be done fairly easily.
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Well I have a bunch of real estate names that I want to develop, the only thing is I dont know where to even start as I know nothing about websites, development/design or building
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Re: Things slowing down?

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No doubt, some good sites will help. But you 're talking to the wrong people. Domain name investors and site developers are 2 different kinds of people, requiring different talents.

Site development is a long term strategy requiring a lot of planning, but reasonable trading rules are in need now and can be done fairly easily.
I don't see it that way. I am not a developer but I can buy a book on html, and put up a one page domain with relevant content, get it higher rankings than just a parked site, and get awareness out. I know absolutely nothing about site developement yet I've managed to put up 10 sites so far, shoestring mind you, but there are several with decent enough search rankings to get noticed.

But the underlying question to all of this is "how far are we willing to take it to make our investments pay off"? I am willing to go all the way. Even if that means paying someone $300 dollars to get a site built on my most popular idn to get awareness out as it benefits everyone here.
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I don't see it that way. I am not a developer but I can buy a book on html, and put up a one page domain with relevant content, get it higher rankings than just a parked site, and get awareness out. I know absolutely nothing about site developement yet I've managed to put up 10 sites so far, shoestring mind you, but there are several with decent enough search rankings to get noticed.

But the underlying question to all of this is "how far are we willing to take it to make our investments pay off"? I am willing to go all the way. Even if that means paying someone $300 dollars to get a site built on my most popular idn to get awareness out as it benefits everyone here.
I admire your thinking and your work on your sites, but the truth is these are only small helps. We need big and "real" sites to create influence.

I have been a site developer since 1995. That's my business, I don't do sites myself, I have people helping me. If you look at some of my domains, you'll know where I'm coming from.

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I have about 100 sets of names are for sites. But when I say sites, I mean sites that can make money, sites that have a business model.

Honestly, it's not easy. I tried to raise 20K for a small site, but it's not up yet because there are many details I still haven't figured out yet. The hard part is to have people help doing the business and at the sametime I can maintain the balance sheet.

Small sites help in some way but I prefer large and successful sites.
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Never said I was a big help but all of us as a whole will make a difference.

It sure beats sitting here complaining about prices. Which will never get us anywhere.

And what's successful in your eyes? A domain going from 20 visitors to over 300 uniques a day and rising, with only a days work involved and no money involved in building? There are varying degrees. You can't build a major site without laying foundation first. And this to me is a foundation that investors will be interested in.
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Never said I was a big help but all of us as a whole will make a difference.

It sure beats sitting here complaining about prices. Which will never get us anywhere.

And what's successful in your eyes? A domain going from 20 visitors to over 300 uniques a day and rising, with only a days work involved and no money involved in building? There are varying degrees. You can't build a major site without laying foundation first. And this to me is a foundation that investors will be interested in.
Yes, all domainers wish they could have done something as you have. But when you have more than a thousand names to maintain and are constantly looking for better strategy in acquiring and selling more names, how much luxury you still have for sites?

I don't want to work too hard, even I know more money is better. I enjoy domaining only when I find it a pleasure and not pressure.
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I don't want to work too hard
Who does? And I agree. The thought of something for nothing is what brought me into this area of investing. But a little is needed to attain what we are after.

And I believe we all will get it. The time it takes to get "it" is up to us entirely.

And we will all be sitting there having drinks at our first IDN conference very soon.
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And we will all be sitting there having drinks at our first IDN conference very soon.
What happened to the conference being organized by donwebcorleone? I think he was shooting for November of this year...he kind of disappeared.
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What happened to the conference being organized by donwebcorleone? I think he was shooting for November of this year...he kind of disappeared.
If anybody has his email address PM it to me i would like to speak with him again , shame he left
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