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Old 17th February 2011, 11:18 PM
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Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

Kevin,

Just as a point of clarification, based on the details you described in your story, it is unlikely that Verisign would view the Chinese-language versions of the full words “company” and “network” reported to be sought by the Chinese government to be the same as – or even “confusingly similar” to – the transliterated versions of.com and .net that Verisign would potentially seek.

Verisign does not operate “.company” in ASCII text, and it is not likely that we’d seek it in other scripts. Our primary interest would be in a Chinese transliteration of the three-letter extension “.com,” not the word company.

While domains based on Chinese-language versions of the words ”company” and “network” may serve similar audiences as .com and .net, Verisign views them both as viable choices for Internet identities , as long as it doesn’t create unnecessary confusion surrounding .com and .net. Internet end-users around the globe already have many domain choices that serve similar audiences (.co.uk, .co, .biz, etc.) and we look forward to continuing to provide meaningful identity services beyond when new gTLDs are introduced.

Our IDN strategy is focused on ensuring that all users enjoy a predictable, uniform experience in .com and .net regardless of their language or geographic location. When we apply for IDN versions of .com and .net, we will be applying for direct transliterations of “.com” and “.net,” which we believe will help to ensure continuity and connectivity. Of course, there may be instances where the transliteration itself – when translated – means something inappropriate, in which case we would seek an alternative.

Another aspect of Verisign’s IDN strategy may, at some point, involve acting as the registry operator or provide back-end registry services for other IDN tlds, but that would be unlikely to have an impact on the dynamic you describe.

Pat

http://domainincite.com/verisigns-up...e-chinese-com/

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Any ideas what a chinese transliteration could look like?
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Not possible to transliterate into Chinese as it is not a phonetic language.

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Any ideas what a chinese transliteration could look like?
Came across this in an old thread but not at all sure what it means and if that is even a transliteration 商业

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Came across this in an old thread but not at all sure what it means and if that is even a transliteration 商业
Means 'commercial' not the translit of .com
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Re: Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

Please ensure brain is in gear before engaging mouth.

This means you, Pat Kane.

Talk about handing your intellectual property over on a plate.
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Not possible to transliterate into Chinese as it is not a phonetic language.
They need some Chinese speakers employed, or something.
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Re: Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

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Any ideas what a chinese transliteration could look like?
From a recent thread:

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I saw 康姆 in one of their presentation files, but could not find the file any more. This name is possible because Chinese version of Viacom is 维亚康姆. 维亚 is for via and 康姆 is for com. In fact, aftering seeing some more examples by googling 康姆, I do not feel it is strange any more.
That would be my prediction and I think it will be accepted pretty quickly and become a popular word.
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Ah, well. Looks like Chinese is sunk.

Still, Russian, Arabic, Hindi and Japanese to go.
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And Korean is good to go.

.컴/넷(.com/net) are a perfect and the best match to keep well known brand names on in Korea.

And .한국 and .kr are sucked because they will separate ownership.

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Re: Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

Only kidding.

Verisign clearly recognise the strenth of the dot com brand and the importance of the Chinese market. I doubt very much if they will have revealed much about their strategy to a guy called Kevin.

To me the key is whether there is a recognised Han equivalent of dot com, or whether a new version of the brand needs to be forged. There is no way that Verisign is going to let anything that is considered equivalent of dot com to slip from their grasp. Indeed, anything that is already being read as dot com is a transliteration by definition. If this is not happening then it is likely there will be a very expensive advertising campaign to communicate what has been chosen as the dot com equivalent. If the representation is arbituary, then it is likely to be a single character right of the standard chinese keyboard.
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A transliteration of COM in Chinese will sound like Cunt. It is not possible transliterate Chinese.

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Re: Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

Did they evaluate the chances of getting .gongsi...

Did they think about an alternative...

Did they check the popularity of the terms...

Did they even ask a Chinese native...

before announcing this?

That's what I would ask if I was a Verisign shareholder.
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I think some here are heavily underestimating verisign's actions and overall market(s) understanding and in this specific case Pat Kane personally as well (I never saw him or spoke to him, only formed my own opinion from following his work in the last 5 years), and remember .com is commercial ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc920#page-2 ), in addition to this paragraph which i think is the bottom line:

Our IDN strategy is focused on ensuring that all users enjoy a predictable, uniform experience in .com and .net regardless of their language or geographic location. When we apply for IDN versions of .com and .net, we will be applying for direct transliterations of “.com” and “.net,” which we believe will help to ensure continuity and connectivity.

Verisign wants idn.idn more then anyone here, as hard to believe as it may sound

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A transliteration of COM in Chinese will sound like Cunt. It is not possible transliterate Chinese.
Well, that would certainly boost the type in traffic!

No wonder GAC want a veto.
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Re: Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

Since Pat Kane (official title: Senior Vice President and General Manager, Naming Services, Verisign Inc., according to this page) is apparently in a chatty mood, this would be a good time to ask him some questions:

Which languages? All? Really?
When will Verisign release the list of transliterations of .com and .net? Or will we have to wait until Verisign submits its applications to ICANN?
Will owners of IDN .com be given first rights to IDN .[com in IDN] as previously indicated by Chuck Gomes?
If so, are there any IDN .[com in IDN] domains that cannot be given to the owner of IDN .com, due to ICANN restrictions?
After the new IDN equivalents of .com and .net are applied for, approved, and delegated, will there be any additional delays in order to bring the registrars up to speed?

I would try to contact Pat myself, but as an anonymous individual, I'd prefer to stay anonymous.

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Re: Verisign's Director Pat Kane on Chinese/Other languages plans

This does truly reek of "foot-in-mouth" disease.



Did Pat pop some quaaludes before posting this?
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I would try to contact Pat myself, but as an anonymous individual, I'd prefer to stay anonymous.
It's not like he has time to track you down or anything like that
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And Korean is good to go.

.컴/넷(.com/net) are a perfect and the best match to keep well known brand names on in Korea.
Except they would be considered 1 character gTLD's. Good luck with THAT!
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