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Kent99 28th February 2011 08:38 PM

Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Tina's article at CircleID.com

http://www.circleid.com/posts/making...tive_and_safe/

bumblebee man 28th February 2011 10:52 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
I don't get this. She's not in charge with IDNs anymore. She never was in charge with IDN gTLDs and now shes talking about tt-gTLDs (yet another abbreviation :D ).

Drewbert 28th February 2011 11:38 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
"All opinions in this post are personal."

I'll bet Tina is about to resurface as a consultant for new gTLD's.

Probably some sort of involvement with Adrian Kinderis.

Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink.

Rubber Duck 1st March 2011 07:07 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Some solid stuff there, but she seems to be representing some strong vested interests and its a shame some of this did not get an airing a couple of years ago.

She ask for lower fees for registrars, but no talk of uniform prices fore registrants. Do I hear the Verisign herd stampeding?

Seems unlikely to me that Austrians would have been the highest bidder for what many must regard as a key asset.

TinaDam 1st March 2011 07:55 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
So because I am no longer at ICANN staff I am not allowed to speak my mind about IDN gTLDs? :-)

I am doing it for one reason only and that is that I am concerned about translated-gTLDs being operated by different registries - thus creating confusion among users.

Members on IDNforum have for a while now been requesting [your-domain-name].[translated-gTLD] - well obviously that is not possible unless the translated-gTLD is operated by the same entity....

Its a problem. Where do we draw the line between variants and translations...I don't see it.

bwhhisc 1st March 2011 11:48 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TinaDam (Bericht 177006)
Members on IDNforum have for a while now been requesting [your-domain-name].[translated-gTLD] - well obviously that is not possible unless the translated-gTLD is operated by the same entity....

Most are looking for Verisign to create an idn equal for .com and .net in major languages to provide idn.idn, as well as .jp to become .jp (idn).

JamesZ 1st March 2011 11:49 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Hi Tina,

Very nice thoughts and constructive suggestions. I have a couple of questions.

1. About user expectation, have any studies been done to verify users expect the translated TLDs to be the same as the corresponding ascii TLDs? As we know, ascii.com and translated-ascii.com are not the same and any users who know about IDNs probably know it. Why will they expect this to be different for letters after the dot? Considering translations to be confusingly similar may have serious consequences.
Of course, this issue is language dependent. For some languages, the translated and transliterated versions are very similar then they may need to be bundled due to either visual or sound similarity.

2. Another issue is, should this apply to all new gTLDs. For example, the applicant who applies for .sport may not want to do business all over the world for all the languages. If his application stops people in other countries from applying translated TLD of .sport, that is certainly bad. If we allow them to be operated by different entities, then what is the point to have the rule only work for current gTLDs?

3. As we know for some TLDs, the correct translations can be difficult to make. Either the applicants who apply for an IDN-gTLD need to specify all the translated variants at the time of application or not, it can cause many problems.

James

bumblebee man 1st March 2011 11:57 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TinaDam (Bericht 177006)
So because I am no longer at ICANN staff I am not allowed to speak my mind about IDN gTLDs? :-)

Sorry, I wasn't criticizing, just wondering. I really appreciate your comments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinaDam (Bericht 177006)
I am doing it for one reason only and that is that I am concerned about translated-gTLDs being operated by different registries - thus creating confusion among users.

Members on IDNforum have for a while now been requesting [your-domain-name].[translated-gTLD] - well obviously that is not possible unless the translated-gTLD is operated by the same entity....

I wholeheartedly agree with that. Anything else would be a desaster (and not only for us).

squirrel 1st March 2011 03:14 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
What's the likeliness of the board reducing the price tag on "bundled tt-gTLDs" ? I was under the impression that new gTLDs would "fund" the fast tracked ccTLDs. I can't remember which board member discussed it in details but it seemed pretty clear at the time that the 185K price tag would cover in part the $$ that some countries would not pay. So far I think just a handful of countries have paid the full fee for their internationalized ccTLD.. so I ask, what's the likeliness ?

Rubber Duck 1st March 2011 03:51 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TinaDam (Bericht 177006)
So because I am no longer at ICANN staff I am not allowed to speak my mind about IDN gTLDs? :-)

I am doing it for one reason only and that is that I am concerned about translated-gTLDs being operated by different registries - thus creating confusion among users.

Members on IDNforum have for a while now been requesting [your-domain-name].[translated-gTLD] - well obviously that is not possible unless the translated-gTLD is operated by the same entity....

Its a problem. Where do we draw the line between variants and translations...I don't see it.

Absolutely, which is why it should have been made patently clear from Day One that existing TLD owners would be entitled to their in all the Translits and Translations of their extension, and what's more they should get it at a reasonable price.

Instead 10 years on and 99% of the domain industry are still hanging on for Real IDN.

Who exactly do we have to thank for that happy set of circumstances?

Rubber Duck 1st March 2011 03:54 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Bericht 177021)
What's the likeliness of the board reducing the price tag on "bundled tt-gTLDs" ? I was under the impression that new gTLDs would "fund" the fast tracked ccTLDs. I can't remember which board member discussed it in details but it seemed pretty clear at the time that the 185K price tag would cover in part the $$ that some countries would not pay. So far I think just a handful of countries have paid the full fee for their internationalized ccTLD.. so I ask, what's the likeliness ?

Yep, it is a bit like a Politician expecting to be bought dinner but not wanting to dine with his host.

555 1st March 2011 05:24 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TinaDam (Bericht 177006)
that is not possible unless the translated-gTLD is operated by the same entity....

Wasn't it always and still is how it's planned to work?
Quote:

Originally Posted by TinaDam (Bericht 177006)
Its a problem. Where do we draw the line between variants and translations...I don't see it.

And that's why i think ICANN should not worry too much about the type of confusion, as any type (visural,aural or otherwise) are more then anyone can afford if they want to keep the internet global,safe and secure as it states on the first sentence of ICANN's policy/reason for existence.

It also would be great if ICANN would pay closer attention to local markets as the fact some registries are still selling alternate root 'domains' and are doing it in part because they display the official icann seal as they are official registries for ascii registrations, not alternate root 'domains' which can't really be called domains. That alone helped raise confusion and when any group is claiming rights to clearly confusing strings i think ICANN's position should be much less inviting then it was and still is and much more severe actions towards anyone and anything that is putting the internet in risk.

Rubber Duck 1st March 2011 06:33 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Yes, what has the GAC given us?

Dash Dot Coms. That's what!

sbe18 2nd March 2011 06:14 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
there is going to be confusion inside languages and across languages.

dot sport is threatening ICANN with a suit, if it approves dot cricket/baseball/football/

as if incorporating a firm as 'dot sport' entitles a group as the dot sport registry de facto,
and before the process even starts.

remember the dot food ...Wolfgang Puck and wife imbroglio...

would the NFL and FIFA fight over football / futbol etc.. who knows...

the failures with aero museum, jobs, post and tel seem to be ignored by all the entities circling like sharks.

The GAC/ UN play is in its death throes...
It is not pleasant to watch, but ICANN with it MOU with the US Govt has to play its new
global constituency role out through to the final guidebook.

With NFC and machine to machine IP traffic about to explode, the need for IPv6 is glaring along IDN's/ and new gTLD's needed for smartphone native language use.

The most glaring need for an IDN variant for dot com/ net is Arabic.

But the next revolt will be Verisign shareholders in 2012...possibly.

Drewbert 3rd March 2011 04:17 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sbe18 (Bericht 177077)
dot sport is threatening ICANN with a suit, if it approves dot cricket/baseball/football/

That's effing hilarious. Got a link?

I might go for .universe and challenge everything.

Clotho 3rd March 2011 05:39 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
.anything has no upward limit so of course there are problems.

Was there any variant issues with the IDN ccTLD implementation? No there wasn't.

If existing gTLD's such as .com .net and .asia were implemented as IDN.IDN would there be any problems? I don't think so and even the GAC suggested that " an initial fast track round for a limited number of non-controversial applications" would be a wiser course of action.

Why were existing gTLD's tied to .anything in the first place? They are proven, .anything is not and delay is costly in the extreme.

Rubber Duck 3rd March 2011 08:44 AM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Yes, and ICANN is now doing what it does best.

Talking people to death.

sbe18 3rd March 2011 07:17 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
to drewbart....
don't spritz your pina colata ...

http://www.dotsportllc.com/index.php?pageId=25
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However, we also take this opportunity to raise a serious concern and hereby inform you that we emphatically oppose any diminution of .sport and will take all steps necessary to ensure that the top-level domain for our sector is properly protected. We are concerned that ICANN may be prematurely entertaining a process that will allow proliferation of names in sub-categories or individual sports, which will lead to confusion in the marketplace of users. We cannot accept ICANN approving any applications for top-level domains that could diminish the solidarity implied with .sport."

Drewbert 3rd March 2011 07:59 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
Fucktards.

blastfromthepast 3rd March 2011 10:51 PM

Re: Making IDN gTLD's Attractive and Safe-Tina Dam
 
That's like claiming to be doing business at street address you don't own or occupy, before someone a lot is even subdivided and assigned street addresses.


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