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Old 10th March 2011, 02:59 PM
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The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

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Dear customer.

We regret to inform you that Verisign, the Registry for .com and .net
domain names, has just given notice that it will discontinue service for
domain names not in compliance with RFC 5891.RFC 5891, which was adopted
by the IETF/IESG applies to Internationalized Domain Names in
Application (“IDNA”). Compliance with this new RFC is necessary to
ensure the security and stability of registry operations. RFC 5891
affects allowable second level strings in IDN domain names. In addition,
Verisign will insure compliance with RFC 5891 by deleting existing
domain names and child hosts from the .com and .net databases.

We hereby inform you that your domain names listed below are affected by
this policy change of the registry and will be deleted by the registry
on or after Juli 27, 2011. Please change your settings for these domain
names to "Delete at expiration" to prevent a renewal before that time as
no refunds for ongoing registration terms will be possible. Should the
domains be registered for your customers, please inform the registrants
of the domain names as soon as possible.

XN--FFI.COM
XN--PFI.COM
XN--ZFI.COM

We sincerely regret the inconvenience caused to you and your customers
by the decision of the Registry to implement the new RFC in this way.


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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfuegung.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

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Old 10th March 2011, 03:25 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

I have coded a script to detect 2008 compatible chars. Do you think it would be useful on idn.bz?
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Old 10th March 2011, 03:27 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

The Verisign IDN conversion tool no longer works for these. Not sure if that is a recent change or not. Anybody know?

http://mct.verisign-grs.com/conversi...&type=PUNYCODE
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Old 10th March 2011, 05:04 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

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I have coded a script to detect 2008 compatible chars. Do you think it would be useful on idn.bz?
For sure, just indicate zero value due to incompliancy .
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Old 10th March 2011, 06:01 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

I received one of these today but none of the domains on mine are actually symbols...

Has anyone else had that ?

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Old 10th March 2011, 10:35 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

I received one of these letters also. I find it a bit alarming since I also don't think my domains fall into these categories. What about past yearly fees or if you picked up a domain in auction? This seems like a flawed system. My name's in question are japanese and the only "symbols" are Kanji but they're well known characters in Japanese...isn't that the whole point of an IDN? I'm so confused...
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Old 10th March 2011, 10:42 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

It's not just me then. Mine are Japanese also....I suspect some kind of mapping problem maybe stemming back to the tools I was using when I registered them ?
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Old 10th March 2011, 11:13 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

I've managed to figure out one of the symbols disallowed as: 園 which translates to "park" in English. Why would this symbol be disallowed? Can we find a list of allowed/disallowed symbols? How would this symbol be properly displayed in Japanese?

Here's some info, on Wikipedia it is listed here as "Grade 2 Kanji" 園 garden en sono:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyōiku_kanji
and here is the wiktionary for the symbol:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/園

Is it because it means different things in different languages?...and if this is the case, then surely it should still be allowed in the proper context of a domain name? :S

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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

Any chance of people sending out fake emails to get people to drop?
That park example doesn't make sense.
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Old 10th March 2011, 11:56 PM
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

It looks like a pretty genuine DD24 email to me I have to say....I was expecting to hear about a couple of domains I have with £ signs in them. Not for some domains that I thought were Japanese though..
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

could it be a variant block issue ? (although it has nothing to do with IDNA2008 )

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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

What's the punycode and extension? Is it xn--hds? TDC owns com and net for that character.

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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

It's not fake either since I received the email from my official registrar also...as well, like someone previous said - if you go to Verisign's website and try to convert the symbol to punnycode, it no longer works and gives a generic error (Error:: Disallowed/Unassigned 9C).
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

It could be variant block but I hadn't expected it to be dealt with this way though

None of mine that I have been notified about have punycode like xn--hds
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

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What's the punycode and extension? Is it xn--hds? TDC owns com and net for that character.
yes it's xn--hds but that's not the full domain name. It has four "regular" characters before it and they all translate ok into the verisign tool which leads me to believe it is the last symbol in the name (the one I have posted) which doesn't work anymore.
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

Correction - I was using the Verisign tool backwards and the symbol converts (as well as the full domain) so this is very strange.
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

When you are copying and pasting the domain in the converter, where are you copying from? Is the full term in Jim Breen's dictionary? Copy from there and compare to your punycode if you haven't done that already.

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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

I was copying from the DD24 email and then converting in idntools....
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

Has anyone else been notified that their Japanese domains are no longer valid ?
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Re: The inevitable has become reality, bye bye symbol domains

I haven't received such an email.
BTW, 園.com and 園.net still work.
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