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IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

ICANN Registrar Secura is acception free pre-registration of asia-domains with Chinese, Japanes and Korean characters.

Sunrise and Landrush ist based on a model where all applications received within their respective periods will be considered to be received at the same time, with auctions being held for domains receiving more than one successfully verified application. Domains with only one successful application will be allocated to the applicant, and no auction will be necessary.

IDN Sunrise and Landrush Submissions:


.Asia IDN launch Timeline:

Sunrise Application Period (70 days)
- OPEN: 2011.May.11 (Wed, 12:00UTC)
- CLOSE:2011.Jul.20 (Wed, 24:00UTC)

All applications received within the period will be treated as received at the same time in the process, therefore applications submitted later in the period will not disadvantage the applicant.
Landrush Application Period (70 days)
- OPEN: 2011.Aug.02 (Tue, 12:00UTC)
- CLOSE: 2011.Oct.11 (Tue, 24:00UTC)
IDN Languages to be launched:
- Chinese (Simplified and Traditional) [ZH]
- Japanese [JA]
- Korean [KO]


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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

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While this document describes the general process for IDN registrations at the second level, i.e. <IDN>.ASIA (“.ASIA” in ASCII), DotAsia is committed to applying consistent general policies across IDN TLDs for “.ASIA”, i.e. <IDN>.ASIA policies will be applied equally to <IDN>.アジア (“.ASIA” in Japanese) and <IDN>. เอเซีย (“.ASIA” in Thai), etc.

Specific IDN Language Policies nevertheless, will be developed for each language and/or script that will be accepted for registrations to address cultural and linguistic requirements.

Furthermore, DotAsia believes in minimizing user confusion to promote the adoption of IDN in the DotAsia Community.

One of DotAsia’s commitment to facilitating user adoption of IDN is to offer a consistent experience for users and registrants across the continuum of .ASIA IDN TLDs.

More specifically, DotAsia intends to offer registrations of a particular domain name under a .ASIA IDN TLD only to the Registered Domain Holder of the particular second level domain under the “.ASIA” TLD. As an example, only the Registered Domain Holder of “甲乙丙丁.asia” may register the domain name “甲乙丙丁. 亚洲” (where “.亚洲” is a .ASIA IDN TLD in Chinese).

Depending on ICANN policies and requirements as well as related cost considerations as a result of such conditions, DotAsia prefers to offer such “registration” automatically (with no additional costs) to the particular Registered Domain Holder. The result of which is that a Registered Domain Holder for any <IDN>.ASIA domain will immediately be able to utilize <IDN>.<.ASIA IDN TLD>, whenever a .ASIA IDN TLD is implemented into the root upon completion of the ICANN process for allowing such delegation
Let's hope this is a precedent for other gTLDs

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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

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Let's hope this is a precedent for other gTLDs
We're almost there.
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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

Strange that .asia would go .idn before .com and .net domains. Wondering what is going on behind the scene.
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Strange that .asia would go .idn before .com and .net domains. Wondering what is going on behind the scene.
interesting isn't it.

wonder how many will pre-order
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Strange that .asia would go .idn before .com and .net domains. Wondering what is going on behind the scene.

saving the best for last.
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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

Verisign seriously moves like a dinosaur when working with ICANN on idn.idn and causing a lot of opportunity loss for many of the idn.com/net registrants.
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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

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Strange that .asia would go .idn before .com and .net domains. Wondering what is going on behind the scene.
I don't think they can.

Surely they are bound by the same gTLD process as everyone else.
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I don't think they can.

Surely they are bound by the same gTLD process as everyone else.
Right, that makes sense. So it looks like .ASIA IDN TLD is open for business in anticipation of their tld being "implemented into the root upon completion of the ICANN process for allowing such delegation" while Verisign prefers to wait a little longer (perhaps till everything is officially finalized) before striking.

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Let's hope this is a precedent for other gTLDs

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I already see that as a foregone conclusion. There is no way The Dopy Twin are going to get the Chinese equivalent of Bullion.com unless they buy it.

Honestly, they have about as much idea about this as the Chuckle Brothers.
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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

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Right, that makes sense. So it looks like .ASIA IDN TLD is open for business in anticipation of their tld being "implemented into the root upon completion of the ICANN process for allowing such delegation" while Verisign prefers to wait a little longer (perhaps till everything is officially finalized) before striking.
Yep, that's pretty much how I read it.
Dotasia are making a commitment now on grandfather rights, and despite what you think about dotasia's future, it's cool they've done that.

Me personally, I regged hoken.asia a couple of years ago, anticipating such a move to grandfather romanized.ascii -> idn.ascii -> idn.idn

Worth a punt imo
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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

.ASIA is 10 years behind .COM in offering IDN regges. Not sure how .ASIA can be seen as racing ahead .... and even now they are only going to offer three languages, how lame ;-)

All the TLD stuff is just marketing guff to hype up a TLD with virtually no interest ...

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"Depending on ICANN policies and requirements as well as related cost considerations as a result of such conditions, DotAsia prefers to offer such “registration” automatically (with no additional costs) to the particular Registered Domain Holder. The result of which is that a Registered Domain Holder for any <IDN>.ASIA domain will immediately be able to utilize <IDN>.<.ASIA IDN TLD>, whenever a .ASIA IDN TLD is implemented into the root upon completion of the ICANN process for allowing such delegation "
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So they aren't promising anything regarding TLD aliasing just what they "prefer". Sure, what they prefer is what we prefer as well, but at this stage, so what? Like I said, they are hyping the SLD launch, no more than that.
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So they aren't promising anything regarding TLD aliasing just what they "prefer". Sure, what they prefer is what we prefer as well, but at this stage, so what? Like I said, they are hyping the SLD launch, no more than that.
So, if ICANN agree the extra one for free they will not charge. Not much of a downside risk for them there then.
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Yep, that's pretty much how I read it.
Dotasia are making a commitment now on grandfather rights, and despite what you think about dotasia's future, it's cool they've done that.

Me personally, I regged hoken.asia a couple of years ago, anticipating such a move to grandfather romanized.ascii -> idn.ascii -> idn.idn

Worth a punt imo
idn.ascii -> idn.idn - Absolutely

romanized.ascii -> idn.ascii - Pigs might Fly.
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Re: IDN .Asia: Asia-Domains with special characters

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romanized.ascii -> idn.ascii - Pigs might Fly.
Well there is a pig flying over .asia HQ right now

This talks about SR3 (Sunrise 3)

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4.2.2 Registered <ASCII>.ASIA Romanized Domain Names Registered Domain Holders of <ASCII>.ASIA domain names which are Romanized or transliterated names based on a Romanization or transliteration standard may apply for the name in its native language in SR3.

The Romanization or transliteration invoked should follow a standard published by a competent authority within the DotAsia Community (see Annex B). Such authorities and Romanization standard include but are not limited to, for example, Pinyin in China (approved at the National People's Congress and put into effect by the National Educational Commission and the National Language Commission) and Romaji in Japan (Shūsei Hebon-shiki Rōmaji).
to be clear:

because there is no IDN.asia in dotasia today, they are grandfathering in romanized ascii.IDN -> IDN.asia

then as you've already read, later they will grandfather in IDN.asia -> IDN.IDN

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Well there is a pig flying over .asia HQ right now

This talks about SR3 (Sunrise 3)



to be clear:

because there is no IDN.asia in dotasia today, they are grandfathering in romanized ascii.IDN -> IDN.asia

then as you've already read, later they will grandfather in IDN.asia -> IDN.IDN

apology accepted.
In which case they are clearly idiots. For simplified Chinese the same PinYin in its simple form generally has several representations in Chinese Script that mean completely different things. It is the tonality of the language that causes this quirk.

In Japanes it is not uncommon to have several Romaji version of Kanji. And of course Japanese and Chinese are different languages that share Glyphs but the pronouciation and transliterations will be different.

In short, it is a fucking minefield and they are walking in with a blindfold.

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In which case they are clearly idiots. For simplified Chinese the same PinYin in its simple form generally has several representations in Chinese Script that mean completely different things. It is the tonality of the language that causes this quirk.

In Japanes it is not uncommon to have several Romaji version of Kanji. And of course Japanese and Chinese are different languages that share Glyphs but the pronouciation and transliterations will be different.

In short, it is a fucking minefield and they are walking in with a blindfold.

Apology accepted.
I don't think you've read that pdf document have you.

they make reference to no one clear transliteration etc plus all that guff you posted, and say in the case of multiple valid applications that it defaults to an auction model.

I'm not an .asia fanboy, my point was I am right in my initial posting.

Apology accepted.
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I don't think you've read that pdf document have you.

they make reference to no one clear transliteration etc plus all that guff you posted, and say in the case of multiple valid applications that it defaults to an auction model.

I'm not an .asia fanboy, my point was I am right in my initial posting.

Apology accepted.
OK, I admit I didn't read it. Time is valuable.

So you get Grandfathered into an Open Auction for a chance to bid on a dud extension?

Who are you Rick Schwartz?
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OK, I admit I didn't read it. Time is valuable.

So you get Grandfathered into an Open Auction for a chance to bid on a dud extension?

Who are you Rick Schwartz?
The thing with insisting on having the last word, even when proved wrong, is that you tend to go off topic, you usually see this pattern of behavior with a reply simply pointing out spelling mistakes in a reply as the only retort they have left.

to be clear

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romanized.ascii -> idn.ascii - Pigs might Fly.
^ you are wrong. Apology accepted.
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I am willing to acknowledge I would be on very dangerous ground pointing out spelling mistakes.

Enjoy your dot Asia. I personally could not begrudge anyone those.

God I must be bored even discussing them.
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