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Old 6th May 2011, 04:45 PM
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JAS Issues and Recommendations

Eric Brunner-Williams:

A comment on the current draft text of 3.4 Communities needing IDN support

At the Delhi meeting I explained to Chairman Thrush and CEO Twomey that "variant characters" present a basic problem. There is now a project on the issue, motivated in part by a desire to find a way to have resolution of two or more RRSets (domain names) return equivalent results.

As many know, the plans of record of some existing registry operators are to submit more than one application, and these parties have been seeking means to reduce their fee cost. Most recently I mentioned this in reporting the discussions between Jeff Neuman (NeuStar) and the corporation legal staff on the temporary drafting group (legal) mailing list and conference calls, where Jeff (and others) seeks to "bundle" the Continuity Instrument cost for two or more applications using the same (incumbent operated) registry services platform.

As a general principle, the public interest is not advanced by acts which create communal conflict.

We can look to the disposition of .eh, claimed two quasi-state actors -- the Kingdom of Morocco and the Prolisario Front. The IANA function has not been used to designate one, or the other, of these warring parties, as the proper party to which to delegate .eh.

We can hope, that despite the primacy of commercial interests and the formal absence of the public interest in the GNSO as the policy making body, that one or more registries will be proposed for the purpose of serving users who share an interest in name spaces, and who naturally use two or more labels for any single resource, whether from the existence of "variant characters" in one of several senses, e.g., Simplified and Traditional Han, positionally combining Arabic, etc., or the use of two or more languages encoded in a one or more script, e.g., Queche and Spanish, both encoded in Latin script.

As I've mentioned previously, an application for a social purpose such as reproductive health or economic development, could arise from South Asia, where one nation state uses twenty two langauges for governmental purposes, requiring eleven distinct scripts.

If the application fee and ancilliary costs prevent the co-existance of plurality in the name spaces allocated to a use, the use is both frustrated economically, and the damaged surviving portion of the use will create communal conflict.

A common case will be a need for two Latin script name spaces, one for the labels formed from a Latin (or Anglo-Germanic) language, and one for an indigenous language of the Americas, Africa, Oceania, and Asia.

Another common case will be for a Latin script name space and a non-Latin script name space, for labels which are used interchangeably by users who "code switch". Examples are "Chat Arabic or Farsi)" and Arabic (or Farsi), or Canadian Aboriginal Syllabic (several Indian language families) and Latin (English or French).

The practice of allocating several "variant strings" to a single applicant was established in 2010, with allocations in
o Simplified and Traditional Chinese,
o Devenagari, Arabic, Telugu, Gujarati, Gurmukhi, Bengali, and Tamil,
o Arabic, and
o Traditional Chinese and Tamil

The same basic requirement is likely to be present for applicants the JAS was formed to assist.

Finally, to address the question "Would service in a local script by the ccTLD reduce the depiction of that script as “underserved”?", I point out the following two concerns.

Firstly, a list:
o Only Sweden recognizes Yiddish as an official language of government, and is likely to request a Hebrew script label for a name space intended to support users of identifiers arising from the Yiddish language,
o the ccTLD IDN FastTrack is limited to the scripts officially used by governments, and therefore is incapable of being the means to serve a script not used by a government with a country code, and
o of the twenty two of the ccTLD operators for members of the League of Arab States (Arabic used as the official language of government), most are exceptionally under used, possibly as a result of policies now being dismantled during the "Arab Spring", and the existing restrictions eliminate most diaspora registrants from the means to use Arabic script.

In general, unfortunately, the answer to the question must be in the negative.

Secondly, the form of the question substitutes national sovereign interest for the public interest, which is not defined by mere reliance upon the momentary definitions of nations or their momentary ruling elites.

Reasonable policies are to invoke the .eh example and block applications which will create community strife, or to invoke the .in example and allocate simultaneous labels, e.g., Devenagari, Arabic, Telugu, Gujarati, Gurmukhi, Bengali, and Tamil, for a single application.

A possible "compromise" between the position currently proposed the corporation for new gTLDs and its position of record for ccTLDs is to order second and subsequent strings, e.g., "africa", "afrique", "أفريقيا", and stage the delegation of the second and subsequent strings subsequent to the delegation of the first string, and before some subsequent application round, or 12 months elapsed time, which ever occurs first. The ability to schedule earned media events (second and subsequent language and script support for a community) is attractive to marketing planners.

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Re: JAS Issues and Recommendations

Firstly, a list:
o Only Sweden recognizes Yiddish as an official language of government, and is likely to request a Hebrew script label for a name space intended to support users of identifiers arising from the Yiddish language,



what?
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Re: JAS Issues and Recommendations

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Firstly, a list:
o Only Sweden recognizes Yiddish as an official language of government, and is likely to request a Hebrew script label for a name space intended to support users of identifiers arising from the Yiddish language,



what?
According to Wikipedia: Minority_languages_of_Sweden,

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In 1999, the Minority Language Committee of Sweden formally declared five minority languages of Sweden: Finnish, Sami language, Romani, Yiddish, and Meänkieli (Tornedal Finnish).
So it's true: Yiddish is an official minority language of Sweden. This has to be the most surprising thing I've learned so far today. (Also surprising, perhaps: Yiddish is not an official language of Israel).

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According to Wikipedia: Minority_languages_of_Sweden,



So it's true: Yiddish is an official minority language of Sweden. This has to be the most surprising thing I've learned so far today. (Also surprising, perhaps: Yiddish is not an official language of Israel).

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gtfooh Sweden realy???

good to know. good to know.
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Re: JAS Issues and Recommendations

You guys need to pay more attention.

http://www.iana.org/domains/idn-tabl...se_yi_1.0.html
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