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Old 16th May 2011, 12:46 PM
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Dear Sirs:

Today, the Internet has just over two billion users out of a global population of 6.8 billion people. While in the past most users of the web communicated in English using Latin script, in 2011 27% use English, 23% use Chinese script, and of the top 10 languages found on the Net, fully half – Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, Russian and Korean – use non-ASCII scripts. Hundreds of other languages make up the last 18% of Internet users. IDN usage is clearly on the rise.

However, while the recent April 15, 2011 Proposed Final Applicant Guidebook talks at great length about issues of cost and responsibility for new gTLD applicants, there is no mechanism in the Guidebook that will support applicants that wish to offer multiple script versions of their community or product, whether ASCII or IDN, to serve the diverse needs of non-English and non-Latin script users. ICANN, in keeping with its strategic plan, and its international coordination role, needs to do more to open up the Internet to more languages and cultures around the globe.

We therefore urge the Board and staff to revisit this issue and work with the community to provide an approach that enables applicants to offer multiple (“bundled”) applications that include different script versions of the same string at a lower, packaged price.

Two groups would be obvious beneficiaries:

Multi-script communities – like those in North Africa where more than one script is regularly used by community members in their everyday lives; and,

Smaller-script communities – like the speakers of Armenian, Lao or Amharic – whose languages might go extinct on the web if the full $185,000 cost per application is not adjusted to a considerably lower number.

The key in both instances is to give all applicants the option of ‘add-ons’ to their primary gTLD application that would allow for any transliterations or translations of their chosen string for a packaged price.

Packaged pricing makes sense because it fits ICANN’s stated values by offering the opportunity for more communities and languages to be represented on the Internet and promoting the participation of diverse audiences in the new gTLD process. It will help combat language extinction, provide opportunities for web-enabled development and narrow the digital divide for languages and scripts too small to be viable at the current $185,000 per application.

This approach also makes budget sense and would stay within ICANN’s cost neutrality guidelines, since packaged pricing would not entail any additional cost to ICANN. Where an applicant requests a “packaged” application, ICANN would review the primary application as normal under the AGB review process and then selectively evaluate the parts of each “add-on” application that are distinct – the specific segments that are unique to their string’s second or third IDN or ASCII transliteration/translation. A packaged review of related applications will lower ICANN’s review costs and lower the costs to applicants – leading to more IDNs built out around the world.

For years many members of the ICANN community have called upon the Board to do more in its support for the non-English and non-Latin script Internet communities around the world, starting with a prioritized approach to IDNs. Supporting packaged pricing – from the start, as part of the new gTLD process – will help underserved language and script communities around the world and provide opportunities in a way that is fiscally responsible and keeps to ICANN’s core values.

Sincerely,

Ronald N. Andruff, RNA Partners, Inc.
Andrew A. Mack, AMGlobal Consulting
Chris Chaplow, Andalucia.com S.L.
Scott M. McCormick, McCormick ICT International
Mike Roberts, Darwin Group
Mike Rodenbaugh, Rodenbaugh Law
Leigh Williams, BITS
Marilyn Cade, ICT Strategies mCADE llc
Johannes Lenz-Hawliczek HOTEL Top-Level-Domain GmbH
Steve DelBianco, NetChoice
Berry Cobb, Infinity Portals LLC
Carlos Aguirre, Ageia Densi
Vanda Scartezini, Polo Consultores Associados
Dirk Krischenowski, dotBERLIN GmbH & Co. KG
Katrin Ohlmer, DOTZON GmbH
Jothan Frakes, Jothan Frakes Technical Consulting
Zahid Jamil, Jamil & Jamil
Evan Leibovich
Constantine Roussos, .MUSIC
Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis
Chuck Gomes, Verisign
Jonathan Zuck, ACT
Alex Gakuru, ICT Consumers Association of Kenya (endorsing in his individual capacity)
Tony Harris, eCOM-LAC
Brian Cute, PIR
Carlton Samuels

Copy: ICANN Board of Directors

http://forum.icann.org/lists/6gtld-guide/msg00045.html

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We therefore urge the Board and staff to revisit this issue and work with the community to provide an approach that enables applicants to offer multiple (“bundled”) applications that include different script versions of the same string at a lower, packaged price.
Makes sense...kind of a "blue light special" :p
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Very ambitious goal, but not everyone will get it.
It makes sense for Verisign to apply IDN gTLD for .com and .net for those less populated languages with lower fees. Some languages may not even have the ccTLD applied.
For other new TLDs, it is a very long shot. Take .music as an example, since I saw .MUSIC on the list. If you ask them to pay the same price, $185,000, for .music in some popular languages, like Chinese, Japanese, Russian, they will certainly pay the money to get it. Even they may not have any intention to operate the TLDs by themselves, they can sell/lease it to other companies for a good profit. Now they are asking to get .music in other languages with even cheaper price. Sounds like a day dreaming to me. This is against everyone's interest except them. Less business opportunity for other investors globally, less competition, and less money for ICANN!
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Old 16th May 2011, 05:34 PM
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Many claim new gTLDs but i think as early as you announce you are e.g .James is irrelevant as each get equal rights when applications start? Not sure how much weight those associations they make to a certain and usually very generic tld have if any.

For clarification, if anyone would ask me and surely no one has, i would not include a couple which are included in that list.

I am guessing we will see a definition of who may be eligible to special terms/pricing and who isn't eligible. some countries in the African continent i.e i think will be amongst the eligible ones.

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Nice.

Late coming, but nice.
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Nice.

Late coming, but nice.
Timing is everything. And you will notice the way Verisign is quietly endorsing these policies rather than being seen as the main proponent. Very slick!
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even for German...

185K x 3 does not make sense.

koln/cologne/ koln (idn umlaut)

re: Verisign..
185 K x 10 for com and 185 x 10 for net
saving from 3.7 million is not a bad return for signing at the bottom of the list.
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even for German...

185K x 3 does not make sense.

koln/cologne/ koln (idn umlaut)

re: Verisign..
185 K x 10 for com and 185 x 10 for net
saving from 3.7 million is not a bad return for signing at the bottom of the list.
Surely, you are not seriously suggesting that less than $4M is going to be a serious impediment for investment in its core business for a company with a capitalisation of $6 Billion?
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No, the $ 4 million is simply to point out their likely outlay in any event for them.
Not the motive for signing.

it is time for the cctld headstart to end, that's all.


I was just trying to point out, that their immediate interest is 20 applications for the subject at hand.

Verisign and Neustar are going to be hosting most of the new gtld's in their datacenters.
$tens of millions in fees is likely for hundreds of gtld's if icann proceeds with the
outlook of 500 estimated new gtld's in the first pass.

It is very smooth for them to sign on with the endangered language list.
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http://domainnamewire.com/2011/05/17...-applications/
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It's a nice thought, but a bit late in the process. I can predict ICANN's reaction: "Good idea, we'll see about implementing it in the next gTLD round (in 2014)".

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It's a nice thought, but a bit late in the process. I can predict ICANN's reaction: "Good idea, we'll see about implementing it in the next gTLD round (in 2014)".

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It's important to remember this 'idea' is far from a new thought and quite a few of the 26 signatories raised it's importance on many occasions and many different meetings / sessions / emails etc so as the duck mentioned, it is more of the timing and how it is handled as ICANN in my guess will definitely give something to specific communities/ based on specific needs.
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I can predict (in 2014)".

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To be worthy of that name, I would have to be more obscure:

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In the Year of the Horse to come, shall the realms of the web be in many tongues and scripts, all tied together for a pittance in gold.
Or something like that.

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If the first round is wrapped up by 2014, I'd be happy.

Second round, 2020, courtesy of NostradPessimist.
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