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Exclamation .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

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• In January 2007, Russia will declare void all previous trademark and intellectual property laws, and a new Section 4 of the Civil Code will take effect. Part of this Code deals with domain names and defines their legal status.

• The proposed code, drawn up by the administration of President Putin, allows for "reverse domain hijacking" by new trademark applicants, ie. an existing domain could be taken away by a new trademark applicant; not that the domain could be used by the new trademark holder: the new code prohibits the use of trademarked names as domain names.

• Makes both the domain owner and the registrar liable for content associated with the domain itself.

• Section 4, despite being prepared "in haste" for Russia's entry into the WTO, has drawn the ire of the WTO itself as being highly restrictive and not protecting intellectual property.

.RU NIC's legal team responded with this interesting language: "Responsibility for breaking the law would be put on both the registrar and the holder of the domain... We should note that those who would like to register domain names in .RU always have an alternative to register domains in other TLDs, therefore, we would expect .RU registrations to greatly decline. The negative aspects of those who choose to migrate to other TLDs is that interested parties would have difficulty obtaining registration data from foreign registrars. In any case, foreign registrars would have difficulty being bound by any decisions of Russian courts, for example, obeying an order to void registration or to cut off the broadcasting of information that was declared to be in violation of the rights of other parties, or to put an "arrest" on the domain name for the purpose of excecuting the decision of a Russian court, or revoking its registration entirely. Reducing the level of registrations in .RU will also reduce the governments income from taxes on registrations."

Full text in Russian: http://info.nic.ru/st/13/out_1226.shtml

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Re: .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

This is why IDN.COM will rule over IDN.RU (if it ever does arrive)
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This is why IDN.COM will rule over IDN.RU (if it ever does arrive)
It doesn't get much better than this for .com owners. They are one step away from destroying .ru registrations. I'm sure RU NIC is also annoyed they are getting this dropped on them just when they tought they had it going on.

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Re: .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

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This is why IDN.COM will rule over IDN.RU (if it ever does arrive)
One might even conclude that at the end, IDN.COM will rule over anything...
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One might even conclude that at the end, IDN.COM will rule over anything...
Just like ASCII.COM... seems logical.
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Don't worry it won't put Jeff off, he is committed to dot Ru! Thats if it ever emerges as IDN soon enough to have the most remote relevence to anything.
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Re: .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

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Just like ASCII.COM... seems logical.
Another way to think about it is when a local businessman wakes up and finds out that the traffic from his website has been slowly going away to an IDN website (.com or not), he has three options:

1. Pay a huge amount of money to that IDN.com holder to get the domain.
2. Get together with his friends (local businessmen) who are in the same boat and put a significant pressure on their country registrar, so the foreigner can not reg/hold that IDN domain and has to sell to them/give it up.
3. Go back to sleep and hope his customers will come back and that IDN thing is just a fad.
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Another way to think about it is when a local businessman wakes up and finds out that the traffic from his website has been slowly going away to an IDN website (.com or not), he has three options:

1. Pay a huge amount of money to that IDN.com holder to get the domain.
2. Get together with his friends (local businessmen) who are in the same boat and put a significant pressure on their country registrar, so the foreigner can not reg/hold that IDN domain and has to sell to them/give it up.
3. Go back to sleep and hope his customers will come back and that IDN thing is just a fad.
Well 3 is a non starter and 1 was always a better option than 2 for a speculator.
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Re: .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

I think this is why we need to step up our development of some of these domains... if the owners of idn.coms produce several reasonably developed domains the people will then default to .com over cctld's as they become aware of their new ability to surf domains in local characters.
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Re: .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

Yes, interestingly there has been a Russian sold at DNFs:

Domain Name: xn--80a2aadddo6f.com (аэропорт.com)

Sorry Glownames, didn't make the connection!
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I'm pretty sure that's glownames whois. He's been a member here since Dec 2005. But there are a few russians here.
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Re: .RU NIC Voices Opposition to New Legal Code

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One might even conclude that at the end, IDN.COM will rule over anything...

It Surely will , These Local authoritys will Mess it up for Most of these Countrys, All Hail The KING !

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I think this is why we need to step up our development of some of these domains... if the owners of idn.coms produce several reasonably developed domains the people will then default to .com over cctld's as they become aware of their new ability to surf domains in local characters.
I Agree , Because no matter if IDN.IDN happens or not , The Bottom line is that IDN.com is still Better then English.com to a Non-English Speaker ,And they have been dealing with the later since the Birth of the Internet ... So with some development we will have them on the COM bandwagon
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will also reduce the governments income from taxes on registrations.
"Really? No way. Hm.. Let's see we'll set up legislation that legally allows big companies to steal your shit. I wonder if the people are going to get angry with this? "

What idiots. They are already missing out big time on the taxes and registrations of IDN.ru. Now they want to lose Ascii.ru. They sure have some great policy makers there.

They will wake up one day and wonder why their internet coffers are empty and why Verisign keeps calling them asking to manage the .ru for them.
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Yes, a land of much unrealised potential!
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