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Old 24th May 2011, 05:37 PM
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yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

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Old 24th May 2011, 08:58 PM
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Re: yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

Looks like Wall Street and banks screwed them, just not quite as bad as they did to LinkedIn during their IPO last week. Both IPOs were way underpriced out of the box and those that got initial shares in the IPO made a one day killing.
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Looks like Wall Street and banks screwed them, just not quite as bad as they did to LinkedIn during their IPO last week. Both IPOs were way underpriced out of the box and those that got initial shares in the IPO made a one day killing.
I thought it was a bit overpriced considering they only made 400 mill last year in revenue, so the rest is based on potential revenue and growth that they didn't reach yet. These tech stocks are mostly valued on their potential. Yandex stock was perfect to invest in for the long term,
1)exponentially growing advertizing business in Russia
2)Russian gov't wont fuk it up for the next decade or more if they want any international investors to invest in Russia.
3)My stock broker left for vacation last night and i am out of 10k because of that and so is he. I will plan a suprice for him when he comes back.

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I thought it was a bit overpriced considering they only made 400 mill last year
If yandex is overpriced, what would you call facebook?
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3)My stock broker left for vacation last night and i am out of 10k because of that and so is he.
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If yandex is overpriced, what would you call facebook?
A tool for governments around the world to spy in their citizens.
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A tool for governments around the world to spy in their citizens.

exactly,
so it's a whole different tech ballgame where they are averaging the value of facebook at about $86-99 per registered user to whom they will smart advertise, depending on the user's likes and dislikes, friends cirlce, lifestyle, searches.....and so on. so I would say even at a $130-$150 per user can be a safe valuation for Facebook at the current time. So an answer to 555 question imo: Facebook is undervalued

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I would say even at a $130-$150 per user can be a safe valuation for Facebook at the current time.
based on what?
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exactly,
so it's a whole different tech ballgame where they are averaging the value of facebook at about $86-99 per registered user to whom they will smart advertise, depending on the user's likes and dislikes, friends cirlce, lifestyle, searches.....and so on. so I would say even at a $130-$150 per user can be a safe valuation for Facebook at the current time. So an answer to 555 question imo: Facebook is undervalued
That has just convinced one person that has not even shown a passing interest that it must be way over valued. If people are pljcking numbers from the air like that then this has to be a bubble.

Let's face it, if you want to buy something would you go to Facebook or Google?
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Re: yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

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That has just convinced one person that has not even shown a passing interest that it must be way over valued. If people are pljcking numbers from the air like that then this has to be a bubble.

Let's face it, if you want to buy something would you go to Facebook or Google?
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based on what?

LinkedIN IPO Based on it’s stock price – it is worth $9.6 Billion and has 100 Million members.
Based on that:
$9,600,000,000 / 100,000,000 members
= $96 per member.


do you think facebook is not worth $130-150???
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That has just convinced one person that has not even shown a passing interest that it must be way over valued. If people are pljcking numbers from the air like that then this has to be a bubble.

Let's face it, if you want to buy something would you go to Facebook or Google?

you'd be surpriced how many people are actualy buying from facebook.
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you'd be surpriced how many people are actualy buying from facebook.
Come on. Facebook might give rise to impromptu sales decisions, but it ain't ever going to challenge the main sales channels.
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exactly,
so it's a whole different tech ballgame where they are averaging the value of facebook at about $86-99 per registered user to whom they will smart advertise, depending on the user's likes and dislikes, friends cirlce, lifestyle, searches.....and so on. so I would say even at a $130-$150 per user can be a safe valuation for Facebook at the current time. So an answer to 555 question imo: Facebook is undervalued
The problem is the valuation is based on users only. Now we are getting into the 2000 crash scenerio where businesses are no longer based on assets, (brick and morter stores, land, et cetera) but on people alone. Websites fall in and out of favor so quickly it's not even funny.

So, while people may be okay with facebook stealing all of their information and selling it to the highest bidder at the momement. They may not be when governments are using it to squash demonstrations, as we are seeing in the middle east and even in spain.

Beware of a company without fixed assets. People are not a fixed asset for any company as they can simply move elsewhere. And in 10 years, I see facebook becoming myspace anyways.
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LinkedIN IPO Based on it’s stock price – it is worth $9.6 Billion and has 100 Million members.
Based on that:
$9,600,000,000 / 100,000,000 members
= $96 per member.

do you think facebook is not worth $130-150???
Actually you answered this all by yourself:

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... based on potential revenue ... that they didn't reach yet...
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Re: yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

Everyone comes up with their own estimates these days, and everyone believes what they want to believe, especialy in the tech bubble with cyberspace companies where estimations result from potential earnings.

http://launch.is/blog/l016-facebook-...2b-not-4b.html

From your graph lets take facebook as an example,
if you take $4(revenue per user) X 500,000,000 users you only get a $2 billion valuation.
but currently it is estimated at almost $100 per user to make the company estimated worth at 50 billion. Thats X25 of the current value of the graph.


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Re: yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

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Come on. Facebook might give rise to impromptu sales decisions, but it ain't ever going to challenge the main sales channels.
not true. I work with a lot of saas cloud startups, proper startups with xxmil backing, and they all have apps that run inside facebook.

it's not about challenging the main channels, it's about tapping into new ones.

no matter how you look at it, selling is a numbers game, and when you have an audience that big, you cannot afford to blindly ignore it
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Re: yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

Bloomberg interview with Arkady Volozh: Russia's advertising market projected to triple in next few years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOJZOUZ4Ns

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I tried to set up a sales app on Facebook. It doesn't work well. People use facebook to chat with their friends, not to buy stuff.

I tried to set up an ad account on Facebook: a really annoying product. Yes, you can target the ads, but you can't exactly delete you advertising account once you don't want it any more, and meanwhile the advertising account attempts to collect even more data from you and autorebill everything.

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Re: yandex stock shoots up on opening day!!

facebook had a $80 billion valuation at last auction. http://www.allfacebook.com/facebook-...uction-2011-04
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