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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

Bill has a piñata fetish?

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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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The pinata domains aren't very impressive. And the spoofing domains like microsōft.com are not very good examples of true IDN usage -- they were probably just confiscated from scammers.

So what about these 8 domains:



Can anyone translate them? Will MS actually be using these, or are they defensive registrations like the others?

Thx,

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No but there again, why bother with defence in depth if you are not absolutely convinced that this thing is going to happen. If the type-ins are being anticipated as having a liklihood of very significant traffic then the assumption is that what they imitate is going to be a very major source of traffic indeed. To my knowledge no Typo have as much traffic as the domains the mimic by a very wide margin.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

i don't get this.

when i first read this, i was expecting to read that M$ had registered things like:

office, microsoft, excel, word etc etc

but all they seem to have done is reg a pile of BS names.


i don't think this is evidence at all that M$ are embracing IDN's
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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No but there again, why bother with defence in depth if you are not absolutely convinced that this thing is going to happen. If the type-ins are being anticipated as having a liklihood of very significant traffic then the assumption is that what they imitate is going to be a very major source of traffic indeed.
Simple. They named their product "Viva Piñata". Piñata is one of the few Spanish words that has actually become common in English, pronunciation and all. Their product name contains an international character, and most Spanish keyboards have a "ñ" key. It only makes sense to get the domain that actually corresponds to the name of the product. Plus its a little kids game, and kids are terrible spellers. (Just ask John Zuccarini.)

This is an isolated event with little significance in the grand scheme of things. I definately do not take this as an indication that Microsoft is going to start a pattern of putting more ñ's and other international characters into their product names, and this is why I am dismissing the significance of these piñata domains by Microsoft.

Their site is already up and active at http://www.vivapinata.com/ When are they going to start redirecting the IDN's over?

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p.s. Sorry, didn't really want to get into this debate. I am genuinely interested in the significance of the 8 domains I quoted before.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

Yahoo are redirecting メッセンジャー.jp -- Messenger.jp to their http://messenger.yahoo.co.jp/ site
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Yahoo are redirecting メッセンジャー.jp -- Messenger.jp to their http://messenger.yahoo.co.jp/ site
A much better example of a corporation getting involved with IDN's.

Thanks for sharing that.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

BUT..

Micro$oft obviously know what IDN's are, so they have made a conscious decision not to register their "back catalogue" of product names etc.

just an observation, does nobody else think that is weird?
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Simple. They named their product "Viva Piñata". Piñata is one of the few Spanish words that has actually become common in English, pronunciation and all. Their product name contains an international character, and most Spanish keyboards have a "ñ" key. It only makes sense to get the domain that actually corresponds to the name of the product. Plus its a little kids game, and kids are terrible spellers. (Just ask John Zuccarini.)

This is an isolated event with little significance in the grand scheme of things. I definately do not take this as an indication that Microsoft is going to start a pattern of putting more ñ's and other international characters into their product names, and this is why I am dismissing the significance of these piñata domains by Microsoft.

Their site is already up and active at http://www.vivapinata.com/ When are they going to start redirecting the IDN's over?

RJ

p.s. Sorry, didn't really want to get into this debate. I am genuinely interested in the significance of the 8 domains I quoted before.
One was Money Central the others are clearly TM domains, but I have not deciphered them.

Microsoft, like Google have been a bit flat footed on IDN. I have the IDN for Local.jp!

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A much better example of a corporation getting involved with IDN's.

Thanks for sharing that.

We know that both Google and Yahoo have an understanding of the significance of IDN for search as the display and index the Unicode Urls, rather than the raw punycode that was displayed before.

This is the keypoint underwriting IDN. Without IDN, the URL will give little or no support to the SEO operation. For many online business this can be make or break.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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I have to say though, "IDNs are not marketable to end users" is about the biggest mis-read you can ever hope to make. To Thais, the correct statement would be "ASCII domains are not marketable to end users but they have had to put up with them for 10 years".
Absolutely agreed in Korea...

구글.kr is used for google search now.. It is not forwarding.. It is server setting. Try search any word in search box after you went http://구글.kr and see how the URL is changed.. one more I know one who sold that IDN to google…$3,000…
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Absolutely agreed in Korea...

구글.kr is used for google search now.. It is not forwarding.. It is server setting. Try search any word in search box after you went http://구글.kr and see how the URL is changed.. one more I know one who sold that IDN to google…$3,000…
Oddly, it would appear that Google doesn't have Google.kr, so it would appear that they intend to go fully IDN at the top level, as .co.kr will increasingly be seen as a legacy extension.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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We know that both Google and Yahoo have an understanding of the significance of IDN for search as the display and index the Unicode Urls, rather than the raw punycode that was displayed before.
They are listing them in Unicode, but in my
experience this is all a bit haphazard at the
moment and they don't appear to be listing
them continuously.

Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that too?
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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it would appear that they intend to go fully IDN at the top level
Interesting. Time for me to buy some Korean IDN's.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Interesting. Time for me to buy some Korean IDN's.
Maybe, but it is a tough market to crack. The point is though if they have flagged their intentions here it will happen to all local Google sites.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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So what about these 8 domains:

マネーセントラル.com
めっせんじゃー.com
ぱすぽーと.com
まねーせんとらる.com
エムエスエヌ.com
ほっとめーる.com
えむえすえぬ.com
μσν.com


Can anyone translate them?
The Japanese names (English brand name words/letters written phoenically in Japanese.):

moneycentral.com
messenger.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
passport.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
moneycentral.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
MSN.com
hotmail.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
MSN.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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The Japanese names (English brand name words/letters written phoenically in Japanese.):

moneycentral.com
messenger.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
passport.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
moneycentral.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
MSN.com
hotmail.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
MSN.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
Thanks you alex!!

messenger.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
passport.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)


Is there a Japanese word for "messenger" or "passport"? If so, who owns those variations in .com?
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Thanks you alex!!

messenger.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)
passport.com (in the less frequently used character set for that word)


Is there a Japanese word for "messenger" or "passport"? If so, who owns those variations in .com?
RJ,
The frequently used character set messenger.com (XN--YCKFX3JNA8GXC.com, メッセンジャー.com) is owned by microsoft too, the .jp (XN--YCKFX3JNA8GXC.jp, メッセンジャー.jp) is owned by yahoo.

See whois here: http://whois.sc/XN--YCKFX3JNA8GXC.com

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The whole point of my intial post was to show they are buying IDN's , And like it has been stated earliar there is a HIDDEN List , we dont know what they hold do we ?

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Actually that's not the big stash.
They do own close to 80 MORE Japanese IDNs
I've seen them.
But they're owned & registered by Microsoft Japan...
They started registering them massively at the end of March....

For a search engine that's not even IDN compatible they do at least realize where everything is going to go...

Oh & the list I'm talking about is half com & jp...
I didn't look at the nets but they most likely own those too...
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Interesting. Time for me to buy some Korean IDN's.
Just be careful.

If I remember my past research correctly a full 70% of IDN names that were deleted at some stage were Korean. Most of the dropping names today are still Korean and most of them - as far as I can tell (hanidn might back me up) are crap. And most of those were registered by Koreans!

Finding a decent Korean name to register these days is VERY difficult.
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

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Just be careful.

If I remember my past research correctly a full 70% of IDN names that were deleted at some stage were Korean. Most of the dropping names today are still Korean and most of them - as far as I can tell (hanidn might back me up) are crap. And most of those were registered by Koreans!

Finding a decent Korean name to register these days is VERY difficult.

Korean gives only slightly more traffic than Japanese (which is very low by IDN standards), but finding good Korean names is like 5-10 times harder. :o
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Re: Bill Gates Ownes 83 IDN's .Com's !!!!!

The real question is who owns ライブ "Live" as that is the going forward name for MSN as well as Windows services and Xbox. It is also reasonably a generic tem even in Japanese. Will the holder of the winning lottery ticket(s) please stand up?
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