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Old 12th August 2011, 01:12 PM
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spritzing my morning coffee this morning....UK/ France police advice ?

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I guess the Greeks will be teaching the Germans, car manufacturing in a few short days as well...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...o-justice.html

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Le Monde, the establishment French newspaper, reported that the offer was "not without irony" following the "ridicule" of the French police by the British press following the urban unrest that swept the country in November 2005.
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Re: spritzing my morning coffee this morning....UK/ France police advice ?

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I guess the Greeks will be teaching the Germans, car manufacturing in a few short days as well...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...o-justice.html

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Le Monde, the establishment French newspaper, reported that the offer was "not without irony" following the "ridicule" of the French police by the British press following the urban unrest that swept the country in November 2005.
This was primarily a problem with the Police not keeping pace with IT and Social Networking developments. As the French by comparison are still in the Stone Age in this respect, it is doubtful that they really understand the problem.

Yes, the British made a lot of mistakes but many of these problems could arise anywhere where there is a Gang Culture. I would think parts of America are extremely vulnerable. Most are likely to learn more from the British than they could impart, and not because we are somehow cleverer but because we are further down the curve. It is little understood that British penetration of the internet and smart phones dwarfs the US. A couple of years ago there was more being sold online in the UK than there was in the US, not on a per populus basis but in absolute terms. Now nearly every teenager has a Smart Phone and that was even before Dixon's got riffled.

What the Gang's realised was if they coordinated their attacks, the Police resources would simply be inadequate. What the Police fairly quickly grasped was that the youths were dependent on Public Transport to conduct their almost military style attacks. So they shut it down. Of course the other secret weapon was the weather. Two days of heavy rain soon sapped the opposition.
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This was primarily a problem with the Police not keeping pace with IT and Social Networking developments. As the French by comparison are still in the Stone Age in this respect, it is doubtful that they really understand the problem.

Yes, the British made a lot of mistakes but many of these problems could arise anywhere where there is a Gang Culture. I would think parts of America are extremely vulnerable. Most are likely to learn more from the British than they could impart, and not because we are somehow cleverer but because we are further down the curve. It is little understood that British penetration of the internet and smart phones dwarfs the US. A couple of years ago there was more being sold online in the UK than there was in the US, not on a per populus basis but in absolute terms. Now nearly every teenager has a Smart Phone and that was even before Dixon's got riffled.

What the Gang's realised was if they coordinated their attacks, the Police resources would simply be inadequate. What the Police fairly quickly grasped was that the youths were dependent on Public Transport to conduct their almost military style attacks. So they shut it down. Of course the other secret weapon was the weather. Two days of heavy rain soon sapped the opposition.
The primary problem is why people want to attack the police, riot and loot in the first place.

What are they rebelling against? Slow download speeds? No new XBOX games to play? I'd love to know...
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Well, they might take a few lessons from the Saudis on behavior modification. :p
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Well, they might take a few lessons from the Saudis on behavior modification. :p
This is probably the reason that the Blackberry was an issue in the Middle East.

The Saudis will be very concerned because it is this kind of behaviour that caused so many problems in Iran, Tunisia and Egypt. Information is power.

In the UK the Criminal Gangs played on public resentment to implement the equalivalent of a Blitzkrieg. Of course at one level the UK Police are at a disadvantage because the rules of engagement are complicated and they are not usually armed, but at another level it could have been a hell of lot worse if it degenerated into a shoot war, which it almost certainly would in parts of the US due to their gun culture.
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I doubt it - most Greeks will probably be on strike again !!
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Re: spritzing my morning coffee this morning....UK/ France police advice ?

Don't worry Dave, help is on the way!
http://www.hayibo.com/africa-to-send...-riots-spread/
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Re: spritzing my morning coffee this morning....UK/ France police advice ?

I guess the 2012 Olympic torch route has its Google map markers overlay.
very sad...

government overhaul of police relative to this event and the phonehacking seems
appropriate.

But I think the MP's need to find their moat maintenance expense reports again...
they are thieves in aggregate from that scandal.


Waiting for the " Pinch a 42 inch HD TV manifesto" from a Brixton
10 year old on Twitter seems a poor match to 'The Clash"

re: the US
our autumn/ winter of discontent awaits as well.
it will have its thieves assuredlyl.
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The primary problem is why people want to attack the police, riot and loot in the first place.

What are they rebelling against? Slow download speeds? No new XBOX games to play? I'd love to know...
They must have lost the big hockey game.
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Old 13th August 2011, 07:20 AM
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They must have lost the big hockey game.
Yeah doesn't take much to set people off does it.

In the UK, its normally when the weather goes above 20 degrees, people go like totally crazy then :p

I used to think the youth had become totally apathetic due to XBOXing / pot etc and would be too fat to even get off their couches to riot. Wrong again!
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Re: spritzing my morning coffee this morning....UK/ France police advice ?

Update: just watched some discussions about the riots. It was referred to as "Shopping with Violence" ....

I kind of get it now. There's been a recession in the UK, and the "kidz" are being deprived of the latest games / trainers / whatever. So they think the have the "right" to go out and loot the stuff.

So the kidz aren't politicized at all, just commercialized. If they can't afford to buy what they want, they go out and rob it.

Ultimate result of Thatcherism I guess, the consumer society where we are all judged on the stuff we own rather than on any contribution to the society itself.

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Re: spritzing my morning coffee this morning....UK/ France police advice ?

Too bad News Of The World is gone, I am sure they would have been able to get to the bottom of the story.
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Too bad News Of The World is gone, I am sure they would have been able to get to the bottom of the story.

You can bet there will be plenty of "legal" hacking going on by the authorities at the moment.
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Don't worry Dave, help is on the way!
http://www.hayibo.com/africa-to-send...-riots-spread/
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