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Old 16th August 2011, 09:15 AM
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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

Mac OSX Snow Leopard has the Unicode Hex Input keyboard mapping

System Preferences ⇒ Language & Text ⇒ Input Sources

So, for example, to get the chinese character referred to earlier select Unicode Hex Input and type alt 696D to get 業

I frequently use Unicode Hex Input to insert the various Unicode formatting & control characters into documents.

All OSX keyboard mappings & Input Methods are system wide so can be used in any app or browser.

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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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Mac OSX Snow Leopard has the Unicode Hex Input keyboard mapping

System Preferences ⇒ Language & Text ⇒ Input Sources

So, for example, to get the chinese character referred to earlier select Unicode Hex Input and type alt 696D to get 業

I frequently use Unicode Hex Input to insert the various Unicode formatting & control characters into documents.

All OSX keyboard mappings & Input Methods are system wide so can be used in any app or browser.

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Cool, thanks. Finally managed to get that Chinese character to display!

But now we are into the realms of typing HEX, even more down the esoteric text input mode than the Windows version!

But useful nonetheless is there no decimal version? just to keep Rossin happy? ...
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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

Mac OS X: How to type Unicode characters, including Symbol or Zapf Dingbat fonts
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1518

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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

Using Character Map
You can use Character Map to copy and paste special characters into your documents, such as the trademark symbol, special mathematical characters, or a character from the character set of another language.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...p_charmap.mspx

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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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I´m thinking about something a little bit different: type in ANY IDN letter / ideogram in ANY language in a fast and easy way. No setups, no virtual keyboads, no software or hardware installation. I want to use ONLY the "regular" keyboard.
There is no fast and easy way to do this because it is not something most people need. What people need is to type in their own language, and occasionally get access to a few characters here and there from outside their regular range. This can easily be accomplished by using the Character Map, Character Palette, hex input, etc. as noted above. Neither of these methods is particularly fast, the fastest is using a dedicated input system for a particular language. Dedicated input methods are typically standard software on most computers nowadays.

From a domain point of view, copy and paste usually is good enough for people who can't type in the language, and in addition, a parallel shortcut domain in ascii can be registered and forwarded to the IDN.

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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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Mac OS X: How to type Unicode characters, including Symbol or Zapf Dingbat fonts
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1518

Yeah, that's nice but was never a problem. Nearly every one with a Mac must know about the superb character viewer and keyboard viewer to select Unicode characters. Its probably been a feature of Macs for 20 years.

The problem was simply trying to replicate what Rossin was doing i.e. if you start from a place where you know the codepoint, how do you get the character into a text box ....

I know, I know, this discussion's a bit weird, lol.
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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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Cool, thanks. Finally managed to get that Chinese character to display!

But now we are into the realms of typing HEX, even more down the esoteric text input mode than the Windows version!

But useful nonetheless is there no decimal version? just to keep Rossin happy? ...
I do not know of a decimal version. Personally, when dealing with Unicode, I find it easier and more natural to use hex.

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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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And ironic Microsoft doesn't obey its own rules. But then again, Microsoft programming was always the sloppiest in the industry by a long way. I'm sure they employed unemployed English majors as programmers 'cos they clearly never employed real programmers when developing their browser.
Yes! I did not realize this! It´s really ironic! WHY Microsoft doesn´t obey its own rules?
I guess you gave us the right answer above!
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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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Mac OSX Snow Leopard has the Unicode Hex Input keyboard mapping

System Preferences ⇒ Language & Text ⇒ Input Sources

So, for example, to get the chinese character referred to earlier select Unicode Hex Input and type alt 696D to get 業

I frequently use Unicode Hex Input to insert the various Unicode formatting & control characters into documents.

All OSX keyboard mappings & Input Methods are system wide so can be used in any app or browser.

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Hi Andre! Thank you for the information!
I know nothing about Mac.

I remember that a few weeks ago we talked about punycode showing on Twitter instead the real ideogram, do you remember? You wrote a post about it on your blog.

Good to know about this Mac feature, although the HEXA code is a bit more complex (´cause envolves letters) than the Decimal (only numbers).

Regards!

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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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There is no fast and easy way to do this because it is not something most people need. What people need is to type in their own language, and occasionally get access to a few characters here and there from outside their regular range. This can easily be accomplished by using the Character Map, Character Palette, hex input, etc. as noted above. Neither of these methods is particularly fast, the fastest is using a dedicated input system for a particular language. Dedicated input methods are typically standard software on most computers nowadays.

From a domain point of view, copy and paste usually is good enough for people who can't type in the language, and in addition, a parallel shortcut domain in ascii can be registered and forwarded to the IDN.
Yes, I agree with you that is not something that people need. But the needs can be created, that´s the marketing magic power, isn´t it?

The character map is cool, I´m always using it, but it´s not fast.
And it´s not 100% complete.

You are absolutely right: "copy and paste" works great! :D
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Yeah, that's nice but was never a problem. Nearly every one with a Mac must know about the superb character viewer and keyboard viewer to select Unicode characters. Its probably been a feature of Macs for 20 years.

The problem was simply trying to replicate what Rossin was doing i.e. if you start from a place where you know the codepoint, how do you get the character into a text box ....

I know, I know, this discussion's a bit weird, lol.
It´s not a bit weird: it´s insane!!! But is cool!

I´m almost sure that in the future, this "altcode + decimal" feature will be good for some specific one character IDN domains. But maybe I´m wrong! Or crazy!

Thank you for all of you! This is a nice discuss!
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Cool, thanks. Finally managed to get that Chinese character to display!

But now we are into the realms of typing HEX, even more down the esoteric text input mode than the Windows version!

But useful nonetheless is there no decimal version? just to keep Rossin happy? ...
I´m already happy with the information about Mac HEX! But yes, Decimal would make me soooo happy!

Domainguru, could you tell me please if you are able to use this feature in the URL bar? Does it works there or you need to copy/paste the ideogram from other place (like a text editor)?
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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

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I´m already happy with the information about Mac HEX! But yes, Decimal would make me soooo happy!

Domainguru, could you tell me please if you are able to use this feature in the URL bar? Does it works there or you need to copy/paste the ideogram from other place (like a text editor)?
Yep, works in the address bar on Mac. Switch the input method to "Unicode Hex Input", hold down "alt" and you can merrily whack in any number of strange ideograms by bashing away on the numbers

So all good, nice to know, etc. but ..... knowing about the "Unicode Hex Input" alone would get you top table at a geek convention, its not exactly regular Joe stuff.

Fun though. And since its a Mac, I don't even need to test different browsers, I just tried my default (Firefox) and it worked. The others will work as well.

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If you would like to have a decimal input tool, we can develop one for the Mac. But I don't think there is enough demand for such an input method. Would you pay for it?

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If you would like to have a decimal input tool, we can develop one for the Mac. But I don't think there is enough demand for such an input method. Would you pay for it?
I really appreciate your offer, it´s very nice to know that a feature like this is possible, but I´m looking for free features!
That´s why I´m trying to discover how to replicate the Google´s behavior (accepting alt + decimal) on FF and IE.

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So all good, nice to know, etc. but ..... knowing about the "Unicode Hex Input" alone would get you top table at a geek convention, its not exactly regular Joe stuff.
The "Geek convention" part was great!!

Well, thank you guys for the opinions! Nice!
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Re: altcodes and chinese IDN domains

If so, cool, but what do you enter exactly in Chrome to see it? I don't understand the "Alt" part, that can't be normal text as the browser wouldn't know whether it was just "normal text". You have to somehow get into the "context" of entering codepoints directly ..... there must be a series of characters to "escape" out of the normal text input context first....
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