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Old 21st October 2011, 06:00 PM
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Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

The Association of National Advertisers (ANA) convened its 101st "Masters of Marketing" Annual Conference on Thursday down in sunny Phoenix, where it was expected to be in the 90's on Friday -- but that's mild for Arizona. Things were a lot hotter indoors, as ANA CEO Bob Liodice kicked off the conference, the largest ever at 1,700 registrants, with a keynote taking aim at the Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)'s massive domain name strategy.

In his speech, "Mastering Brands and Driving Results," Liodice brought up the highly contentious June vote by ICANN to expand domain name extensions. He also ran down the particulars of the ANA Marketers’ Constitution.

Per the ICANN proposition, Liodice exhorted attendees to sign the "First Amendment to the Constitution," a statement avowing the industry’s united opposition to the top-level domain expansion program.

ICANN's proposal, to which its board members gave the nod by vote during its June meeting in Singapore, will allow essentially limitless URL suffixes starting next year, adding everything from industry and languages, to geography and ethnicity to the current two dozen or so domains that include .com, .org, .edu and .net, and more recent ones like .jobs, .info and .biz.


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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

Can someone explain in brief what these people's concern is?
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Can someone explain in brief what these people's concern is?
RD already did.
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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

he said (Liodice), citing five reasons why it should be stopped now:

1.Its justification is deeply flawed

2.Its cost is excessive

3.It will harm consumers

4.It will harm businesses and damage brand equity

5.ICANN failed to achieve stakeholder consensus

http://insurancenewsnet.com/article.aspx?id=290072

But i think RD is a bit more objective on this one.
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4.It will harm businesses and damage brand equity
How? I don't see it.
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How? I don't see it.
Are you joking or .. ?
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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

No, I'm not joking. I'm not following the issue here. How/why would this be bad for business? Not sure. If anything, it gives big businesses more opportunity.

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The Association of National Advertisers (ANA) convened its 101st "Masters of Marketing" Annual Conference on Thursday down in sunny Phoenix, where it was expected to be in the 90's on Friday -- but that's mild for Arizona.
Boring. I'm glad I went to the Primus concert instead. Good times.

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No, I'm not joking. I'm not following the issue here.
Here is their argument....

http://www.ana.net/content/show/id/21790


"By introducing confusion into the marketplace and increasing the likelihood of cybersquatting and other malicious conduct, the ICANN top-level domain program diminishes the power of trademarks to serve as strong, accurate and reliable symbols of source and quality in the marketplace," says Bob Liodice, President and CEO, ANA. "Brand confusion, dilution and other abuses also pose risks of cyber predator harms, consumer privacy violations, identity theft and cyber security breaches. The decision to go forward with the program also violates sound public policy and contravenes ICANN's Code of Conduct and its undertakings with the United States Department of Commerce."

The ANA letter explicitly contends that material gains are sorely lacking for commerce, competition and innovation. In contrast, the ICANN program would throw the domain name universe into substantial confusion while generating untold costs to domestic and international businesses and consumers.

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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

oh, sorry then Blast,

as Bill pointed, it's mostly a TM issue. Lots of cybersquatting accross TLDs, businesses feeling compelled to defensively register domains in several TLDs. The TM clearing house I believe only blocks exact match TM infringing domains, thus all non exact match will supposedly be available during landrushes.
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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

He's right on point 2 though.
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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

Not to anyone trying to run a registry it isn't.

Really no different than a deposit for an MP.

Anyone who cannot afford to stump up £185,000 is probably a time waster, and there plenty of those out there.

In terms of Brands worry about confusion, they always have the option of sticking to their dotcom if they got one.

My firm uses Carillionplc.com because another legitimate company got Carillion.com first. No scope for confusion there then!
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Re: Liodice Kicks Off ANA With Battle Cry Against ICANN

Prices shouldn't be based on "let's make it a lot to stop applications from time-wasters". It should be on a cost basis (since ICANN is a non-profit). Cough hack.
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Prices shouldn't be based on "let's make it a lot to stop applications from time-wasters". It should be on a cost basis (since ICANN is a non-profit). Cough hack.
Welll, you can't have the best of both World's. ICANN should be blasting out the message to the World at considerable expense.

Unfortunately, we have the worst of both Worlds.
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