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Old 28th December 2011, 05:16 PM
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idntalk.com good read

idntalk blog is written by Olney former owner and founder of this forum. most member's here read this blog. i wanted to bring awareness of his blog for new members and nonmembers who might just lurk here. even though he owns a nice portfolio of japanese idn's, i think he take a honest look and is somewhat conservative in his assessment of the present and future state of idn value's, traffic growth, technology roadblock's, hurdle's ect. i think he sets aside the hype and takes a measured approach when sharing his opinion's and expectations.
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Re: idntalk.com good read

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Re: idntalk.com good read

Craig is a member here (under a new login) - he really should come out and say hi; I won't out him, but I do encourage him to show his face.

As for his blog... he makes 2 observations/comments:

1) Japanese traffic and the increase in traffic is coming from browser re-directs thanks to Safari & iphone

2) New Extensions (and I assume he means .com-in-IDN) will do nothing to increase traffic (and assumed therefore the value)

#1 doesn't surprise me
#2 does surprise me

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Old 28th December 2011, 06:44 PM
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Re: idntalk.com good read

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Craig is a member here (under a new login) - he really should come out and say hi; I won't out him, but I do encourage him to show his face.

As for his blog... he makes 2 observations/comments:

1) Japanese traffic and the increase in traffic is coming from browser re-directs thanks to Safari & iphone

2) New Extensions (and I assume he means .com-in-IDN) will do nothing to increase traffic (and assumed therefore the value)

#1 doesn't surprise me
#2 does surprise me

thoughts?
1) agree, no suprise there

2) I think it depends. Generally speaking I believe, unlike Craig, that yes people do type-in (and no, it has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not). It may not be the case in Japan where people have had very little exposure to domains and their full use, but I believe that it will change over time.

However, I believe the traffic increase or lack thereof will depend on the domain. It's a case by case thing and I'd also venture to say that some domains that get good traffic now may not see any material increase in the future whereas domains will little or even no traffic may well see huge increases over time.

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Re: idntalk.com good read

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1) agree, no suprise there

2) I think it depends. Generally speaking I believe, unlike Craig, that yes people do type-in (and no, it has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not). It may not be the case in Japan where people have had very little exposure to domains and their full use, but I believe that it will change over time.

However, I believe the traffic increase or lack thereof will depend on the domain. It's a case by case thing and I'd also venture to say that some domains that get good traffic now may not see any material increase in the future whereas domains will little or even no traffic may well see huge increases over time.
so you also believe that .com-in-IDN will bring no traffic increase. ok.
so what are you "waiting for" then? if you are also waiting for .com-in-IDN, what will it bring then?
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so you also believe that .com-in-IDN will bring no traffic increase. ok.
so what are you "waiting for" then? if you are also waiting for .com-in-IDN, what will it bring then?
Sorry, it may not have been clear but I believe that yes .com-in-IDN will bring traffic increase. I think that fully internationalized domains will make it much more compelling for people to use domains, incl typing them in.
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Re: idntalk.com good read

However, I also believe that some domains are inherently not well suited for type-in but may get traffic now from Iphone/safari (which is mostly if not all unintentional traffic - I think we agree on that). For example the disease and ailments domains we briefly discussed a while back. I think some of them will not see increased traffic after full internationalization. The long, obscure, ones especially. If I were to guess, I'd say that these domains would keep getting "unintentional" type-in but no more.
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Re: idntalk.com good read

whats the % of browser type-ins vs search engines? I remember seeing an article which stated it was about 5% globally, can anyone verify?
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whats the % of browser type-ins vs search engines? I remember seeing an article which stated it was about 5% globally, can anyone verify?
not sure why it matters DK, a large part of type-ins is traffic to existing websites, such as returning visitors to this very forum, and bookmarks.
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Re: idntalk.com good read

Much depends on whether you are talking parking or mini sites.

Craig and I ended up with diametrically opposed views on just about everything.

No change there.
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so you also believe that .com-in-IDN will bring no traffic increase. ok.
In Russia, it will. Big time.

In Japan, maybe not so much.

Japan will be a generational change, I believe.
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Re: idntalk.com good read

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In Russia, it will. Big time.

In Japan, maybe not so much.

Japan will be a generational change, I believe.
What's your rationale?
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More evidence of Russians already trying to access their translation of existing .com websites.
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not sure why it matters DK, a large part of type-ins is traffic to existing websites, such as returning visitors to this very forum, and bookmarks.
Well it is country specific, but if you know what the type in % vs search engine search in that country is and the data of what % of users goes to what tld (country specific), you can more or less estimate what the "True direct typein traffic will be", the one that will give you CTR on your parking portfolio (depending on customization), which is what really matters here anyways if you are not developing and just parking.
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Well it is country specific, but if you know what the type in % vs search engine search in that country is and the data of what % of users goes to what tld (country specific), you can more or less estimate what the "True direct typein traffic will be", the one that will give you CTR on your parking portfolio (depending on customization), which is what really matters here anyways if you are not developing and just parking.
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2) New Extensions (and I assume he means .com-in-IDN) will do nothing to increase traffic (and assumed therefore the value)
Agree, definitely country specific - Also, wrt Japan, Japanese had been using cellphones to surf for many years prior to introduction of iPhone and Android. Probably due to the long subway commutes.
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Nice blog
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Re: idntalk.com good read

IDN will either be adopted as the new standard or it won't.

This will be done more or less on a country by country basis.

To coin a Czech phrase, the Japanese are 100 years behind the Apes.
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Re: idntalk.com good read

My Chinese names are getting more traffic than they ever have before. Maybe in a year they will be paying for themselves. I imagine people with good names are already seeing it, even with 6-cent clicks.

Has anyone happened to have confirmed his claim that 99% of IDN type-in traffic comes from Safari?
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