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Any decent PPC in Arabic domains yet? Other languages?

So far I've not done too well getting clicks or revenue from Arabic domains, but my sample is very limited since I am just getting rolling in the IDN market.

I've gleaned from my reading that Japanese, Russian, and Thai are the hot IDN markets for PPC. What are some other hot ones? Why not South Korea or Malaysia, they have pretty advanced economies?

It'd seem to me that German IDNs would be good also, but only in .de. What about other European countries?

Obviously, you can tell my IDN noobness coming out here, but I'm still getting my head around this market....so much to know.

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Re: Any decent PPC in Arabic domains yet? Other languages?

This one الغاز.com pays for itself and then some @ 0.11 a click. Not sure why, but my cp says 98.78% direct traffic. In 2005 when first parking Arabic names it was shocking to get over 0.02 a click, so things are moving in the right direction.

My Japanese names receive average 0.17 a click across >100 domains.

Best market is Sweden for me. Granted, only one name, but 0.29 a click average.
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So far I've not done too well getting clicks or revenue from Arabic domains, but my sample is very limited since I am just getting rolling in the IDN market.

I've gleaned from my reading that Japanese, Russian, and Thai are the hot IDN markets for PPC. What are some other hot ones? Why not South Korea or Malaysia, they have pretty advanced economies?

It'd seem to me that German IDNs would be good also, but only in .de. What about other European countries?

Obviously, you can tell my IDN noobness coming out here, but I'm still getting my head around this market....so much to know.

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Arabic consistently yeilds about $0.11 for me.

Traffic is just about 100% type in.

Well over two thirds of all my traffic comes from Arabic which makes up a sixth of my portfolio. Nearly half of that comes from Saudi. now thirty percent of the total.

The next largest contribution is from Iran but the conversion is almost non-existent. This is followed by Kuwait, Egypt and the UAE, then Israel.

Arabic attracts traffic from just about every country in the World.
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So far I've not done too well getting clicks or revenue from Arabic domains, but my sample is very limited since I am just getting rolling in the IDN market.
There's a big difference between those who bought up the key Arabic terms in 2005 and those of us who got in late (except those who have been cashed up and aggressively buying at auctions). Anyone who compares themselves with the old hands around here, some of whom have freakishly good names, will get massively discouraged.

If a name gets some regular traffic, is a reasonable key term and has potential for growth, that's good enough for now - still early days. PPC for Arabic will grow when Arab companies wake up and discover the Internet and keyword advertising. When they discover the value of a good domain name, then we're really talking!
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Re: Any decent PPC in Arabic domains yet? Other languages?

Thanks so much for the replies.....that gives me a much better understanding.

Regarding Arabic traffic coming from all over the world, I had noticed that as well. I got a .45 cent click on کارت-ویزیت.com , which is not Arabic, but Persian for Business Cards, and the surfer clicked from the United States. I guess that is a little bit of a blessing for those domains.

I had noticed this same effect on non-English, ASCII domains over the years. Sometimes it can really add up if you have a lot of traffic or high CPC traffic.

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Thanks so much for the replies.....that gives me a much better understanding.

Regarding Arabic traffic coming from all over the world, I had noticed that as well. I got a .45 cent click on کارت-ویزیت.com , which is not Arabic, but Persian for Business Cards, and the surfer clicked from the United States. I guess that is a little bit of a blessing for those domains.

I had noticed this same effect on non-English, ASCII domains over the years. Sometimes it can really add up if you have a lot of traffic or high CPC traffic.

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The US is about to drop off my Radar. It used to be the number one source of traffic and revenue, now it struggling to stay top ten. Ukraine has dropped out but I guess they will be back and it will be at the cost of the US. They will not be greatly missed.
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The US is about to drop off my Radar. It used to be the number one source of traffic and revenue, now it struggling to stay top ten. Ukraine has dropped out but I guess they will be back and it will be at the cost of the US. They will not be greatly missed.
The U.S. is in greater trouble than 95% of the economists are leading everyone to believe. These are the same 95% that missed the last crash. Nobody should trust those ignorant lemmings one bit. Most just all parrot what each other say with no original economic analysis.

In terms of turning attention away from the U.S. when investing, 'd have to agree with you from the perspective of having traveled around a bit in the last ten years and have seen first-hand how things are changing everywhere very fast. Wealth is shifting from the U.S. to many other countries, just as wealth shifted after WWII, from Europe to the U.S.

It's funny how some Americans still scoff and have the notion that we are #1 no matter what happens to the U.S. It's an arrogant mindset that has been brainwashed into each generation's kids. I still have some friends that feel that way no matter what is happening around them. Being #1 requires smart people, great gov't business policy, and a free flow of capital, all of which we are not producing anymore. Most of our smart folks we are importing from overseas anymore.

I'd never count the U.S. out as we still have lots of great strengths, but I can see lots of opportunities elsewhere that should not be ignored.

Also, right now, Americans are broke, which has to be hurting the domain traffic to some degree. Many Americans are just plain faking that they are not broke to their friends and relatives. Almost everyone I speak to has little to no savings, they are hurting, and they are only spending due to cash flow, if they still have a job. They are still spending a great deal like they did before the crash. They/us think it is some kind of American right to have money to spend no matter what ; They grew up that way and they can't shake the notion. Also, spending is what makes American's happy, not saving. Sadly, this is all slowly rearing it's ugly head in the form of very broke Americans that won't be able to spend forever. Really, really bad times are coming, IMO.

Regarding IDNs, I have to admit, I find the IDN market much more exciting and interesting. Who does not want to be part of something growing and exciting? The last three years of parking U.S. traffic is enough to turn off the most steadfast old-school .com domainer, even if sales are still coming in. It's just gotten boring to some degree also. I'm glad I'm moving into IDNs....it feels fresh.

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Thanks so much for the replies.....that gives me a much better understanding.

Regarding Arabic traffic coming from all over the world, I had noticed that as well. I got a .45 cent click on کارت-ویزیت.com , which is not Arabic, but Persian for Business Cards, and the surfer clicked from the United States. I guess that is a little bit of a blessing for those domains.

I had noticed this same effect on non-English, ASCII domains over the years. Sometimes it can really add up if you have a lot of traffic or high CPC traffic.

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Thanks so much for the replies.....that gives me a much better understanding.

Regarding Arabic traffic coming from all over the world, I had noticed that as well. I got a .45 cent click on کارت-ویزیت.com , which is not Arabic, but Persian for Business Cards, and the surfer clicked from the United States. I guess that is a little bit of a blessing for those domains.

I had noticed this same effect on non-English, ASCII domains over the years. Sometimes it can really add up if you have a lot of traffic or high CPC traffic.

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Could be that the user clicked on an english ad, thus the higher cpc.
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"...Most of our smart folks we are importing from overseas anymore."

a bit contradictory wouldnt you say?! on one hand you are saying US is in depp trouble or will be in deep trouble and then next statement you are saying that a bunch of smart people come here to live and work?

where do you live yourself?
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"...Most of our smart folks we are importing from overseas anymore."

a bit contradictory wouldnt you say?! on one hand you are saying US is in depp trouble or will be in deep trouble and then next statement you are saying that a bunch of smart people come here to live and work?

where do you live yourself?
Emil....I'm saying we don't have enough of the smart people....that's why we have to IMPORT them. How's that contradictory?

The U.S. has a serious education problem, even though we have most of highest rated colleges in the world. Every generation below the previous one seems dumber to me also.

These immigrants are not just coming here necessarily on their own will, they are coming b/c the U.S. is granting visas to these folks at the request of big companies.

Hell, we imported thousands and thousands of Indian nurses and pharmacists starting in about 2002. That's why almost every time you walk into a pharmacy you see Indian women working behind the counter. That was a program created by the U.S. Gov't.

See what I am getting at? Almost all major companies in the U.S. can't find qualified help anymore. That's a fact.

Where I live is not important, but I have lived all over the world. Nepal, El Salvador, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Utah, Ohio, etc....and have visted many places.

I'm not sure why where I live matters regarding this subject.

Where do you live?

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its contrudictory because if this country is so bad or will go bad, then smart people wouldnt come work and live here. I was born in Russia and now i live here in US and i think this country is THE best there is by a mile. all you have to do is go live somewhere else and you will prove that to yourself (assuming you will be honest about it).

if things were so bad, then we wouldnt need to restrict borders against immigration and there is plenty of people here from all over the world that are still coming every day.

also: keep in mind that good education isnt always as important as being logical and practical. I met many smart people from India and working with them is very difficult as no matter how smart they are they dont get the practical side of things and logic that seems to me being the most important part of the US education system.

US may not be perfect, but i think its much better than whatever next best alternatives are. as far as crisis and all that: Japan existed with high debt to GDP for a long time and has done ok with thier people, living standards there are still much higher than low debt to GDP countries like Brazil, Mexico or Russia for that matter.
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You are changing the subject Emil ; I'm not being contradictory.

I did not say there was not good jobs here or the inability to have a good life. Even in Iran many folks are having a good life. I'm saying the U.S. is currently on a downward trajectory. I don't know how long you have lived in the U.S., but if you have been here your whole life or most of it you'd probably know what I am talking about.

There is still a lot of big money in the U.S. 50% of the top 1% of the world's wealthiest live here, and those wealthy folks are doing everything they can to protect that cash, but the underpinnings of this country are being eroded quickly.

Also, did you know that many experienced CEOs and other professionals from the U.S. are taking jobs in China and India, for example. Even though we need these kinds of people, these other countries are presenting better opportunities to some of them. So we are having a problem with producing educated folks, and companies are having big problems filling those jobs, yet other countries are quite often offering more money and perks to those experienced Americans to work overseas. It's a real problem we have.

Logical and practical is great, but it won't work for being an engineer without a degree. You must have an education for that and it's a fact that we are not producing engineers, for example, at the rate we need, and U.S. citizens are not taking those classes in college like they did 30 years ago. They just avoid it. Not enough people want to work that hard in college for that degree.

Japanese had the highest saving rate in the world before their "lost decade", not sure what it is anymore. They've had plenty of cash and infrastructure to weather the storm, but to say they did not suffer would be an understatement. They stagnated with very bad economic policies.

Regarding Brazil, Brazil was a dictatorship until 1970. That held back it's economic growth. Brazilians only started hitting their economic stride in the 1990's. 60 million Brazilians moved into the middle class in the last 10 years. They are just getting rolling. Great place to invest, btw. How long of a head start did Japan have over Brazil? Also, look at the education standards Japan holds for their own society. Is Brazil's or the U.S. education standard anywhere near that of Japan? No, it is not, nor will it be any time soon. Therein lies the problem with the U.S.

I'd never count the U.S. down and out, but IMO, the U.S. will never be what it once was. Those days are over. Wealth is being redistributed to those countries that are catching up to the U.S. and the U.S. is doing little to change that.

We have not seen the real pain yet. It's still coming. Until we change this, a downfall is coming. I have yet to see an economist that says this debt can be beaten back : http://www.usdebtclock.org/

You know what they say, "Pride comes before a fall", hence many either arrogant or ignorant Americans that just assume we'll have some kind of strange, gifted right to say #1 forever. Not everyone here thinks that way, but many do.



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its contrudictory because if this country is so bad or will go bad, then smart people wouldnt come work and live here. I was born in Russia and now i live here in US and i think this country is THE best there is by a mile. all you have to do is go live somewhere else and you will prove that to yourself (assuming you will be honest about it).

if things were so bad, then we wouldnt need to restrict borders against immigration and there is plenty of people here from all over the world that are still coming every day.

also: keep in mind that good education isnt always as important as being logical and practical. I met many smart people from India and working with them is very difficult as no matter how smart they are they dont get the practical side of things and logic that seems to me being the most important part of the US education system.

US may not be perfect, but i think its much better than whatever next best alternatives are. as far as crisis and all that: Japan existed with high debt to GDP for a long time and has done ok with thier people, living standards there are still much higher than low debt to GDP countries like Brazil, Mexico or Russia for that matter.
Just a note to keep in mind also is that a lot of immigrants come both to the states and canada under false assumptions as a result of false government promises. Sure there is more opportunity in both countries, but for people that already have their papers and credentials in check. For immigrants comming to these two countries however, its a bit more difficult considering the fact that they, im most cases have to redo their degrees and for the first few years slave away for the government with the hope that they will not be deported back to their home country just because they farted in public, or got into a minor argument with their employer. All im saying is that for These Indian, mexican, philipino and other immigrant families coming here its not as easy as most people think it is. Sometimes you have to walk in someone elses shoes to understand and i personally have. This comment was in no way intended to offend anyone., just thought id share my opinion.

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The US is about to drop off my Radar.
I wish it would drop off your radar. Your endless ranting about US issues might make one suspect you're American.

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I wish it would drop off your radar. Your endless ranting about US issues might make one suspect you're American.
Once it sphere of influence reflects it legitimate interests then i am sure everyone else will be more relaxed about the US.

It is likely that any progress will only be from financial necessity, but I guess any progress is to be welcomed.
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