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Old 27th January 2012, 04:19 PM
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Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

A few days ago, I registered two Chinese IDNs....

圣托里尼.com (xn--ydso2jb3fmn9c.com)

聖托里尼.com (xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com)

Both mean Santorini ( a famous Greek island ) in Chinese Traditional and Simplied.

The order seems to have gone through - and thats the last I thought of it. However, yesterday, I noticed some credit in my Dynadot account ( where I registered the domains ), and after a little searching through my account, it appears that the 2nd Chinese IDN xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com - is not in my account. I check the whois and though it's marked as registered, there are no details. However, the other domain does have my info in the whois.

I contacted Dynadot about this, and they replied with the following ....

Hello,
The credit you see is from that order.

It took about 3 minutes for your payment to be received from PayPal. During that time, someone else at another Registrar got to xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com.

Best Regards,
Dynadot Staff

.....

so according to Dynadot, by pure back luck - someone else registered the domain during the time it took for my payment to be received via Paypal.

So, here are a few of my questions ...

1) Isn't payment through Paypal meant to be instant ?? I've never heard of a payment taking three minutes to complete.

2) Is this really a case of bad luck.

3) Has the 2nd domain not actually been registered, but been blocked for some reason ??

4) If it has been blocked, is this related to the fact that the 1st domain was registered successfully ??? I am guessing the fact that maybe they are both Chinese versions of the same word ??

Thanks for reading.

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Old 27th January 2012, 04:45 PM
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

Alex, you simply blocked yourself here. The 2 domains are variant of one another, the first is in simplified Chinese, the other in traditional Chinese. Because 圣托里尼.com (xn--ydso2jb3fmn9c.com) was processed first, it blocked 聖托里尼.com (xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com) at the registry level. No one can register 聖托里尼.com (xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com) as long as the other is registered to someone.

search for "variant block" if you need a clearer explanation
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

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Alex, you simply blocked yourself here. The 2 domains are variant of one another, the first is in simplified Chinese, the other in traditional Chinese. Because 圣托里尼.com (xn--ydso2jb3fmn9c.com) was processed first, it blocked 聖托里尼.com (xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com) at the registry level. No one can register 聖托里尼.com (xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com) as long as the other is registered to someone.

search for "variant block" if you need a clearer explanation
Yep.

To my knowledge, only our idntools whois lookup has this variant conflict logic baked into it.

Check out www.idnwhois.com/聖托里尼.com
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

Alex, you just outed yourself as an IDN noob. :D

At least you got the simplified version.
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Old 27th January 2012, 05:18 PM
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

I love Dynadot explanation lol.
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

Thanks for the replies guys. I was pretty sure it was a variant block - but after what Dynadot came back and told me - I wasn't sure if it was just bad luck !!

Looks like Dynadot don't know about this !!
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At least you got the simplified version.
Yes, I'm happy that I didn't block that one !!
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

That Dynadot reply certainly is funny.
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Re: Strange Chinese IDN registration issue

I'd like to correct Dynadot reply as this: It took about 3 minutes for your payment to be received from PayPal. During that time, someone else (might be yourself) at another Registrar got to xn--8ftz5ldu3a5pp.com.
very funny both Alex and Dynadot. lol
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