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kareo 11th February 2012 09:28 AM

letters or symbols
 
Hi, just one question: characters like "ㄚ" and "ㄉ" are considered letters or symbols? Or there's no difference?

welkin 11th February 2012 11:55 AM

Re: letters or symbols
 
I guess you could consider them letters, but they were replaced in the mainland by pinyin (only Taiwan still uses them). As to their value, jīn.com (gold in pinyin) is still available to register.

As far as symbols go, they typically don't compose a writing system and usually aren't allowed in IDNs anymore.

blastfromthepast 11th February 2012 01:51 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
ㄚ and ㄉ are valid in domains.

Look up here to verify: http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/idna.jsp

kareo 11th February 2012 04:05 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Better I tell you my problem about those domain names: I sold them on eBay to a japanese guy, who now doesn't want to pay because, as for him, I tried to fraud him selling symbols instead of letters. So, who is right, me or him?

mulligan 11th February 2012 04:21 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Post a link to the sale please.

kareo 11th February 2012 04:34 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
the page is here

mulligan 11th February 2012 04:53 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
You have a lot to learn (I expect it will be short lived though)

kareo 11th February 2012 04:57 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
please, can you explain?
If you are talking about the poor quality of the domains, I KNOW, and that's why I put them on eBay, and that's why I instantly accepted that offer (and thought: "bingo...").

But the problem is not the quality of the items sold, but the fact that he (the customer) made an offer and I (the seller) accepted it. He made an offer BEFORE asking informations, and now he doesn't want to pay. THIS is the problem I'm talking about. So, please, answer my simple question: who is right, me or him?

sarcle 11th February 2012 05:22 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kareo (Bericht 192133)
I put them on eBay, and that's why I instantly accepted that offer (and thought: "bingo... I found a sucker to pawn these off on.").

Bold's mine. You'll find no sympathy here. I'm glad he didn't pay. Realized himself you were selling shit domains and didn't want them. Good for him.

mulligan 11th February 2012 05:43 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Just to be kind .... kareo, do you know what a tipping point is?

kareo 11th February 2012 06:16 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
ok, I got it, but let me spend just two words: the fact that he "realized" I was selling shit domains is not an excuse: he made the purchase without reading the offer description and without asking informations. My bad? As for eBay policy: "A bid on eBay is considered a contract, and you're obligated to purchase the item". He made a bid and doesn't want to pay, that's all.

Last thing, Sarcle: your statement sounds a bit "sanctimonious". No one of you, especially in the beginning, found himself in the same situation? oook...

kareo 11th February 2012 06:18 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
@mulligan
a "no-turning-back" point, right?

sarcle 11th February 2012 06:47 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kareo (Bericht 192136)
the fact that he "realized" I was selling shit domains is not an excuse

Yes, it is an excuse. I've also reported the item to ebay to help him not have to pay for your misleading sale. Thanks for giving us the link.


Quote:

My bad?
Yes. You do realize you are the type of person we make fun of here right? Usually we have to find the ebay/sedo links and post them but you came right to us. How funny. :lol:

blastfromthepast 11th February 2012 06:49 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
How much did he offer? You may have gotten a better deal by selling them here.

kareo 11th February 2012 07:51 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Quote:

I've also reported the item to ebay to help him not have to pay
Is your right.

Quote:

but you came right to us
Mulligan asked me that, and I gave it to him. Didn't think in this forum questions are made with that goal...so yes, my bad.

Just to point out, Sarcle: I'm not that kind of person. I started this "activity" about 2 months ago, with the naive thought that was easy to do, so I bought those shit domains thinking they were good. Two months now, and I'm just trying to get out of this market recovering at least part of the expenditure. I mean, is it a "human" thought, or I am the "black-sheep" of the forum?

kareo 11th February 2012 07:54 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
@Blast
I don't think so, as can be evidenced by the posts. By the way, he offered 500$ for all

sarcle 11th February 2012 08:02 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kareo (Bericht 192143)
so I bought those shit domains thinking they were good. Two months now, and I'm just trying to get out of this market recovering at least part of the expenditure.

So you admit you knew they were shit. You tried to sell your shit. The buyer realized they were shit and you are still thinking you did the right thing?

Pathetic. Drop them and move on.

IdnHost 11th February 2012 08:05 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kareo (Bericht 192143)
Is your right.


Mulligan asked me that, and I gave it to him. Didn't think in this forum questions are made with that goal...so yes, my bad.

Just to point out, Sarcle: I'm not that kind of person. I started this "activity" about 2 months ago, with the naive thought that was easy to do, so I bought those shit domains thinking they were good. Two months now, and I'm just trying to get out of this market recovering at least part of the expenditure. I mean, is it a "human" thought, or I am the "black-sheep" of the forum?

so because you got screwed on the deal due to lack of research on your part, you decided to screw the next joe to get your capital back? two wrongs dont make a right, and you cannot blame sarcle for speaking his mind because this sort of behavior is looked down upon on this forum. he is completely right.

Avtal 11th February 2012 08:21 PM

Re: letters or symbols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IdnHost (Bericht 192146)
so because you got screwed on the deal due to lack of research on your part, you decided to screw the next joe to get your capital back?

That is the foundation of all modern financial markets, isn't it?

Anyway, to answer the original question:

I'm not an Ebay expert, but it seems to me that the more precisely you describe your merchandise, the less likely you are to be asked for a refund.

When selling an IDN, you should probably mention that the domain is an IDN (with a link to the Wikipedia article on IDNs). You should also give the punycode of the domain, and if the domain is a single character, give the name of the character ("Bopomofo letter d" or whatever).

You might get fewer buyers by doing this, but you are also less likely to see your Ebay seller reputation destroyed.

As for the reaction on this forum: The people here believe (correctly) that IDNs will be of great benefit to people whose languages use non-ascii characters. For many years they have battled the perception that IDNs are of use only to fraudsters and phishers. So someone selling domains like "yoù .com" should not expect a warm welcome.

However, some of the other members of this forum started out on the wrong foot, like you have, and recovered. I suggest you stop trying to defend the indefensible, and start learning from the IDN experts here.

Welcome to the forum.

Avtal

bumblebee man 11th February 2012 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kareo (Bericht 192129)
my problem

Exactly.
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