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Old 6th March 2012, 07:01 PM
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US Empire expands

At this rate, only an event wiping out parts of the population will stop the U.S. from enslaving the world.

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Old 6th March 2012, 07:21 PM
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The US won't enslave the world, it's gradually losing its grip as a superpower. China is who you should watch out for.
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Old 6th March 2012, 07:22 PM
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The clear solution would be for Verisign to move to Switzerland.
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Old 6th March 2012, 07:41 PM
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Re: US Empire expands

Switzerland is right out. They were kowtowed into submitting their list of bank account holders to the U.S.
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Re: US Empire expands

Yes, Verisign needs to divest itself of the U.S. but where can it really go?
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Old 6th March 2012, 08:23 PM
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Yes, Verisign needs to divest itself of the U.S. but where can it really go?
UK extradites without a court hearing so they should not even consider.

Guess it is a toss up between Iran and North Korea.
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Re: US Empire expands

Run Verisign from a Nigerian internet cafe. Gotta cut costs ya know
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Old 6th March 2012, 10:29 PM
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Re: US Empire expands

Countries with diplomatic relations but no extradition treaty

The United States maintains diplomatic relations, but does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Slovenia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, and Vietnam.

The United States is currently negotiating an extradition treaty with Taiwan.
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Re: US Empire expands

Well, we're only part way to US domination of the Internet.

So far, US courts have ruled that all .com domains are subject to US jurisdiction, on the grounds that Verisign is based in the US.

In other words, if you don't want to be subject to US court actions, don't register your domain under .com, register under .ru or .cn instead.

Conversely, no one doubts that the Russian government can do anything it wants with domains registered with the .ru registry. And as far as I know, no one is complaining or writing blog posts about this non-surprising fact.

But I'm curious to see if US courts will take the next step and say that even .ru and .cn are subject to US jurisdiction, on the grounds that ICANN is based in the US. Now that would really annoy people.

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But I'm curious to see if US courts will take the next step and say that even .ru and .cn are subject to US jurisdiction, on the grounds that ICANN is based in the US. Now that would really annoy people. Avtal
Most are people who deserve to be annoyed. Maybe we will sell the internet and get out of debt. :p

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Most are people who deserve to be annoyed. Maybe we will sell the internet and get out of debt. :p
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Old 7th March 2012, 06:15 AM
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Most are people who deserve to be annoyed. Maybe we will sell the internet and get out of debt. :p
What you actually own is one very small file which everyone knows the contents of and to which you have no claim over the copyright.

Difficult to see it fetching much.
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Old 7th March 2012, 09:32 AM
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Well, we're only part way to US domination of the Internet.

So far, US courts have ruled that all .com domains are subject to US jurisdiction, on the grounds that Verisign is based in the US.

In other words, if you don't want to be subject to US court actions, don't register your domain under .com, register under .ru or .cn instead.

Conversely, no one doubts that the Russian government can do anything it wants with domains registered with the .ru registry. And as far as I know, no one is complaining or writing blog posts about this non-surprising fact.

But I'm curious to see if US courts will take the next step and say that even .ru and .cn are subject to US jurisdiction, on the grounds that ICANN is based in the US. Now that would really annoy people.

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I have heard from multiple sources that .su (Soviet Union) is the best extension to use if you don't want any risk of your domain being seized, a lot of cybercriminals seem to use it.

Does anyone know of any registrars who will fight back against US court orders, instead of handing over the domains no questions asked? Seems like the US could be the biggest domain thief, and I want my domains secure from them.
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Does anyone know of any registrars who will fight back against US court orders, instead of handing over the domains no questions asked? Seems like the US could be the biggest domain thief, and I want my domains secure from them.
Are you seriously worried about the US seizing your domains?
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Does anyone know of any registrars who will fight back against US court orders, instead of handing over the domains no questions asked? Seems like the US could be the biggest domain thief, and I want my domains secure from them.
Do you mean registries? It doesn't matter where the registrar is located; if the registry (Verisign in the case of .com) is located in the US, then the domain can be seized upon order of a US court. Verisign has no choice but to comply, if it wants to continue operating in the US and wants to keep its executives out of jail.

I assume that the .su registry is under the jurisdiction of Russia, even if the Russian government hasn't bothered taking any enforcement action.

As blast from the past pointed out a while back, every TLD is under the jurisdiction of somebody; it's a matter of choosing whose rules you will follow.

And extradition treaties mean that you yourself may be subject to seizure, even if your domains are not.

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What you actually own is one very small file which everyone knows the contents of and to which you have no claim over the copyright.

Difficult to see it fetching much.
Internet IPO to replenish America's coffers. Would be a funny April 1st headline. You can even namedrop GoldmanSach in the PR and it actually makes it more plausible.
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Are you seriously worried about the US seizing your domains?
The problem is, who decides what's seizable? What if ICE says all domains with the word "torrent" or "poker" in them have no legitimate use? Where does this end? It's a very slippery slope and very well could lead to the destruction of the DNS itself.

These cowboys aren't just pissing off people with illegitimate use in mind. Megaupload.com is a great example. Companies and Universities used their services to transfer large files to each other, all of which were seized along with the domain.

How is Megaupload any different than Youtube and Google? I can still find any music video (illegally) available on there. I can still find copyright photos in google image search.

I disagree with how our government is handling the Internet right now. I don't like where this is heading at all.
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Maybe we will sell the internet and get out of debt. :p
I buy internets all day! You sell me yes?
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