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Old 17th April 2012, 04:38 AM
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Speculation sure but:

When IDN become mainstream what do you think the percentage value compared to the ASCII version will be. Is it likely to be different for each language relating to population etc?

For instance:

Download.com v ChineseIDN.com 25%? V ChineseIDN.cn 25%?

Download.com V RussianIDN.com 20%? v RussianIDN.рф 20%

Download.com v ArabicIDN.com 15%v ArabicIDN.saudi/etc 10%

Download.com v ThaiIDN.com 10%? v ThaiIDN.th 7%?

etc

What factors are likely to affect the many languages?
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

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Speculation sure but:

When IDN become mainstream what do you think the percentage value compared to the ASCII version will be. Is it likely to be different for each language relating to population etc?

For instance:

Download.com v ChineseIDN.com 25%? V ChineseIDN.cn 25%?

Download.com V RussianIDN.com 20%? v RussianIDN.рф 20%

Download.com v ArabicIDN.com 15%v ArabicIDN.saudi/etc 10%

Download.com v ThaiIDN.com 10%? v ThaiIDN.th 7%?

etc

What factors are likely to affect the many languages?
These figure just show how pointless speculation is.

I really have no idea, but I can tell you these figures won't even be close.

Some of them are completely rediculous.

Arabic IDN.com I guess will be about 80-90% of the market in a very short period of time. How much traffic are you getting on your dot Saudis?
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

I was asking about perceived value not market share.

eg. Download.com ASCII $5mill? Download(Arabic).com $1.5 million?

But if you don't think it is at least a bit of fun to speculate then you don't have to!
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

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Speculation sure but:

When IDN become mainstream what do you think the percentage value compared to the ASCII version will be. Is it likely to be different for each language relating to population etc?

For instance:

Download.com v ChineseIDN.com 25%? V ChineseIDN.cn 25%?

Download.com V RussianIDN.com 20%? v RussianIDN.рф 20%

Download.com v ArabicIDN.com 15%v ArabicIDN.saudi/etc 10%

Download.com v ThaiIDN.com 10%? v ThaiIDN.th 7%?

etc

What factors are likely to affect the many languages?

You might as well ask:

When all the fruit are ripe what percentage of an apple will an orange be worth?
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Old 17th April 2012, 06:28 AM
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

Edited- a bit OTT (-:
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

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I was asking about perceived value not market share.

eg. Download.com ASCII $5mill? Download(Arabic).com $1.5 million?

But if you don't think it is at least a bit of fun to speculate then you don't have to!
Apologies, but isn't that the same question anyway?
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Apologies, but isn't that the same question anyway?
OK -Another tack. Do you think that Chinese or Russian or Thai would all command a similar percentage of the ASCII.com? Or is it likely that it would be scaled dependent on population etc.
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

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OK -Another tack. Do you think that Chinese or Russian or Thai would all command a similar percentage of the ASCII.com? Or is it likely that it would be scaled dependent on population etc.
I'm not sure you can measure it like that. Sure, population is one dimension, but there are others and some of them less tangible...

.. take for example the love affair that the U.S and Germany have with domain names. That "love" is reflected in the price, and that price is higher than in any other country in the world - will that change?
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

I think it would depend on the future (and not so distant future) perspective of a given market, it's attractiveness for investors, lack of political risks etc.
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I'm not sure you can measure it like that. Sure, population is one dimension, but there are others and some of them less tangible...

.. take for example the love affair that the U.S and Germany have with domain names. That "love" is reflected in the price, and that price is higher than in any other country in the world - will that change?
I think the demand and pricing will still favour ASCII no matter what but IDN will certainly be taking a bigger & bigger slice of the pie-it's how much is the intangible.

Sooner rather than later we hope, or has that been mentioned before! :p
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

When China first developed the internet nearly all content was in Pin Yin.

How much is today?

Virtually nothing!

Whey would Domains actually be any different.

The old chestnut is international accessibility, but why would you need accessibility to something you cannot understand?
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The old chestnut is international accessibility, but why would you need accessibility to something you cannot understand?
Accessibility is a pseudo problem of course.

The real problem is the chicken and egg dilemma of IDN usage and IDN support imo.
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

ascii version: 10%-20% of IDN price.
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

Download in Portuguese is "Transferências". Now check this out:

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...&geo=PT&cmpt=q
http://www.google.com/insights/searc...&geo=BR&cmpt=q
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

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And now check this out:

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...&geo=CN&cmpt=q
http://www.google.com/insights/searc...&geo=RU&cmpt=q
http://www.google.com/insights/searc...&geo=JP&cmpt=q

And by the way, you should also check this out...particularly the evolution of the trends and the future forecast, since no one in Brazil uses " transferências " to download anything.

http://www.google.com/insights/searc...&geo=BR&cmpt=q
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Re: Percentage of the ASCII version?

I don't think you can give it a fixed percentage. In different regions, i believe the IDN will be worth much more than an ASCII version.

As Dave mentioned in a previous post... these are classified as IDNs only to us... well, domainers. To the average Joe, these are actual domains that they can visit in their own native language.
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I don't think you can give it a fixed percentage. In different regions, i believe the IDN will be worth much more than an ASCII version.

As Dave mentioned in a previous post... these are classified as IDNs only to us... well, domainers. To the average Joe, these are actual domains that they can visit in their own native language.
Imo standard generic terms cars, hotels, games ect.will always be worth more in ASCII 5x 20x who knows as there are a lot of factors involved, size of population,public awareness and acceptance, business usage and advertisement ect. I think that large geo names like Tokyo, Moscow,Seoul will also always be more valuable in Ascii. but as most will agree most searches are local. so smaller city and other geo's not well known or spoken outside of that country will indeed be worth more in idn.idn. A example of this would be a name on auction here 山东.com Shandong i am sure most people outside of china never heard of this or would not be searching it. but is known by all chinese. also local products, foods,cloths, customs, festivals,traditions, slang ect. will also be worth more in idn.idn. imo
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Imo standard generic terms cars, hotels, games ect.will always be worth more in ASCII 5x 20x who knows as there are a lot of factors involved, size of population,public awareness and acceptance, business usage and advertisement ect. I think that large geo names like Tokyo, Moscow,Seoul will also always be more valuable in Ascii. but as most will agree most searches are local. so smaller city and other geo's not well known or spoken outside of that country will indeed be worth more in idn.idn. A example of this would be a name on auction here 山东.com Shandong i am sure most people outside of china never heard of this or would not be searching it. but is known by all chinese. also local products, foods,cloths, customs, festivals,traditions, slang ect. will also be worth more in idn.idn. imo
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Silly example. What is it supposed to show?
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