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Old 21st April 2012, 07:20 PM
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Re: Question - Building a self sustaining portfolio

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I think i stumbled upon that article a year ago as well because it does ring a bell. I am curious however to know how much $ is cellphone(s) within any of the main five or six scripts earning at the moment per month.
buy the names and then let us know :D

what would be really interesting is what the names will earn in 5-10 years.

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buy the names and then let us know :D

what would be really interesting is what the names will earn in 5-10 years.
i'm afraid whoever is holding them is not willing to give them up, at least not so early in the game. but yeah, maybe someone on this forum that is privillaged to have aquired such a name in anyone of the mentioned scripts would like to share.
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It depends,

cell phones in many scripts is a 2 word domains. 2 word domains tend to not perform well (at least to my knowledge) because a lot of the current traffic comes from browsers that append ".com" at the end of a query in the URL bar. so a word like "cell phone" would be transformed to "cell phone.com" which would not resolve (or if ".com" is not appended because its a 2 word domain, the redirection just doesn't take place). However, a one word word like "dreams" for example, could get lots of traffic because everytime someone types it in opera and safari (incl. in apple devices), they would be redirected to dreams.com


That's why I think there is no point really in trying to guess future traffic numbers until after IDN.IDN is live and people start using them.

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true. i heard somewhere that a really big portion from ascii parking revenue is from typo traffic sadly. I think typos are a way to get a lot of traffic for some domainers if the good ascii generics are no longer available.

some-typos can generate so much traffic because the real term is a large and developed website and has massive type-in traffic for that reason.

personally i would not want to follow such a strategy... would possibly lead to horrible CTRs and probably harm the income of genuine type-in generics by diluting overall traffic quality.

Some of the best quality converting traffic is from typos of generics.

A typo of "life insurance" is just like "lifeinsurance.com" for the purpose of parking. The only issue with the typo domains is that you can't really develop it or use it for email, ads, etc. because it's a typo..
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Some of the best quality converting traffic is from typos of generics.

A typo of "life insurance" is just like "lifeinsurance.com" for the purpose of parking. The only issue with the typo domains is that you can't really develop it or use it for email, ads, etc. because it's a typo..
An option with a name like that, is to build a site on a correctly spelt domain like "bestlifeinsurance.com" (just an example) and redirect the traffic, then you've got a brand and natural quality traffic.
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You won't go far wrong buying here in the auctions & sales threads with for the most part quality names going for peanuts as the main market for IDN is here and very limited to between the members.

Other than that it is predominately German IDN that seem to sell at places like Sedo.

Drops of course, and there are many of them, but you have to be very selective and check,check & re check.

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You won't go far wrong buying here in the auctions & sales threads with for the most part quality names going for peanuts as the main market for IDN is here and very limited to between the members.

Other than that it is predominately German IDN that seem to sell at places like Sedo.

Drops of course, and there are many of them, but you have to be very selective and check,check & re check.

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I just got started with IDNs and registered a couple of names. I found that some "not-too bad" names can still be bought or drop the best are long gone obviously.

My main concern is that there will be eventually a real market for many IDNs but no one knows exactly how long it will take for this market to develop.

which means you will have to pay for renewals in the meantime.

if one builds a portfolio of lets say 500 "somewhat-decent" names you will have to pay $5000/year for at least several years lets say 5 years = 25K in registration fees or even more if it takes longer.

From what i've read most IDNs don't generate enough income to pay for the renewals, the ones who do are usually not available anymore.

The names that i have for example don't really have any type-in traffic. So the chance that they will eventually be able to sustain themselves in the next few years are close to zero IMO.

The re-sale prices here on the board are low often close to reg-fee unless the name is really good.

So the first question would be:

Do you generate enough income from PPC parking and end-user sales(or other sales) to pay for the yearly reg-fees of your portfolio?

Or do you view this mostly as a long term investment where you are willing to spend money year after year until a real market develops.

The question that i am asking myself is: Wouldn't it be better instead of registering hundreds dropped free names or free names and paying tens of thousands for renewals to take that 25K and buy 50 good names which can sustain themselves and cost little to maintain. In the end there would be less risk of loss of capital since the renewal fees are negligible the prices are unlikely to drop long term and at least some ppc revenue is there and reselling them is possible.

Second question: End-User Sales

Are end user sales an effective mean to pay for your reg-fees or even pay for for new purchases?

I don't mean high figure sales but the occasional $200-500 sale for lesser names and maybe low xxxx for good names.

Do you think that with the names that are still available or drop and can be registered for reg-fee you can still build a portfolio which is self sustaining due the occasional end-user sale?

Are the end user sales limited to certain markets? If so which ones?

Third question: My first domain purchases

I spent some time looking at drop lists, and tried to hand-reg a few names. This was just a small experiment, i understand that the names aren't that good really. I didn't look at PPC pricing, google exact searches. I mean i did to confirm that the term was searched but high number of search wasn't a buying criteria.

I just looked for names that would be considered good/attractive if they were english .com versions.

bankowość.com (banking) polish

جليد.com (ice) arabic
مرحاض.com (toilet)
سوقالأوراقالمالية.com (stock exchange? Stock market? Securities? Security market?)
أحجاركريمة.com (gemstone)
كرةالمضرب.com tennis

coréia.com (korea) portuguese
arábia.com (arabia)
prépago.com (prepay)
grãbretanha.com (great britain)
acomodações.com (accomodations)

デザイナーズ.com (designers?) japanese

Some of the names were possibly not translated properly or do do not look attractive to native speakers.

What's your opinion? Is this junk?

thanks
I am not a native speaker, however:
coréia.com (korea) portuguese - according to new orthorgaphy rules, there is no accent in this case (words ending in eia)
http://www.sme.pmmc.com.br/arquivos/...s/texto-23.pdf
arábia.com (arabia) - nice, but in general I would stick to commercial terms, portuguese is still full of opportunities
prépago.com (prepay) - mmmm, i don't know... pré-pago is correct, when it's one word, accent actually makes it say wrongly.
grãbretanha.com (great britain) - correct
acomodações.com (accomodations) - correct
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arábia.com (arabia) - nice, but in general I would stick to commercial terms,
i felt this was a "tourism" related keyword. (maybe)

i did register a highly commercial term yesterday but in spanish not portuguese:

créditopersonal.com

i like that one.

It has a flaw however. According to google surfers are far more likely to type credito than crédito so this may greatly diminuish it's value.
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i felt this was a "tourism" related keyword. (maybe)

i did register a highly commercial term yesterday but in spanish not portuguese:

créditopersonal.com

i like that one.

It has a flaw however. According to google surfers are far more likely to type credito than crédito so this may greatly diminuish it's value.
It does not matter how people type
What matters is what is correct.
Speaking of accents typing, traffic to é have been steadily increasing in potuguese from Brasil.
Spanish speaking in this regard are probably like users from Portugal-don't care much about accents other than ñ (yet)
I thought, Brasil will take much longer to get used to accents but it's picking up quite nicely
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do you happen to know the difference between "bein imoveis" and "imoveis" (real estate).

i regged benimoveis.net
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bein does not exist :o
what there is, is bens imóveis (Real property), but it is not used in the commercial real estate sense
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sorry i meant

bensimóveis.net

there is an active brazilian website with the name

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sorry i meant

bensimóveis.net

there is an active brazilian website with the name

www.bensimoveis.com.br
Yes, and RealProperty.net is an active site too
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Re: Question - Building a self sustaining portfolio

Just curious: why are you messing around with latin idns?

Unlike non-latin (aka idn.idn), there's no reason why latin idns shouldn't be "selling like hot cakes". The fact they are not right now is a death-knell is it not?

If I was just starting out, it would be the last place I would dig
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Just curious: why are you messing around with latin idns?

Unlike non-latin (aka idn.idn), there's no reason why latin idns shouldn't be "selling like hot cakes". The fact they are not right now is a death-knell is it not?

If I was just starting out, it would be the last place I would dig
you're probably right. i just couldn't resist buying some as many good latin names can still be hand-regged.

another thing: is 50k exact searches in .net a good name in arabic?

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%...AC%D8%A7%D8%AA

i regged: icecream.net

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acomodações? bens imóveis? Is that Brazilian? Never heard that terms. (I am Portuguese)
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a few thoughts on spanish and portuguese names:

i don't want to promote latin IDNs really and i don't think they are the best IDN investments.. it's clear that the com in latin idns will always be a secondary extension.

still there are some reasons why they may not be that bad:

the spanish community is incredibly large - 400 million native speakers

even in the US there are are almost 50 million spanish speakers. for someone living in the US the com may be a primary extension.

the spanish community is distributed across many countries. if a site wants to reach the global spanish community a .com would probably be the primary choice and extension.
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acomodações? bens imóveis? Is that Brazilian? Never heard that terms. (I am Portuguese)
i don't know. i hope so

google the term. some websites seem to use them.

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it's clear that the com in latin idns will always be a secondary extension.
That could be true in some countries (e.g. Brazil and Germany), but in the main the issue is that the ASCII.com is preferred over the IDN.com (for now at least).
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