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Old 26th April 2012, 08:31 PM
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12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

Through ICANN's new gTLD application process, which we expect to close in May 2012, Verisign applied for 14 new gTLDs including 12 transliterations of .com and .net. In addition, applicants for approximately 220 new gTLDs selected Verisign to provide back-end registry services.

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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

didn't they say the exact same thing a few months back? which transliterations of .nets do you guys think they went for 1st round?


Thanks for the update 555. Much appreciated

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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

Well, they could have gone for >6 dotcoms and <6 dotnets. My guess would be both .com and .net in the six scripts they already mentioned.
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

Interesting guess, hadnt thought of it that way
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Well, they could have gone for >6 dotcoms and <6 dotnets. My guess would be both .com and .net in the six scripts they already mentioned.
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Technically, it makes perfect sense only due to the fact that they did mention only 6 languages previously. So half and half would definately work. Didn't look at it that way either. Always thought it be 10 .com transliterations and 2 .net
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

What about Swahili?
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

Ppl at verisign are dumbasses.. What did they make? 68 million NET in the first quarter 2012? What is it.. 180k a string? :P They could have applied for every language on the planet.
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

Ah well, at least we know they've definitely got the applications in.

We can tick THAT box.
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Next one is digital archery. They need to hit the bull's eye a dozen times.
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

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Technically, it makes perfect sense only due to the fact that they did mention only 6 languages previously. So half and half would definately work. Didn't look at it that way either. Always thought it be 10 .com transliterations and 2 .net
Its the only outcome that makes sense.

Verisign can come up with a thousand reasons why only certain languages in the 1st round; but what reason could they give as to why they went for a .com and not a .net, that wouldn't be sending a negative message about their other brand aka .net

Half and half for the 6 languages we already know about is what we'll see

And if you're reading this and still have wishful thinking that maybe a 7th language .com might slip in, I think you're going to be disappointed.
The value of .net in the 6 just rose a notch, and everything else just took a dirt-nap.
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

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Next one is digital archery. They need to hit the bull's eye a dozen times.
Good point.

But even if Verisign hits the bullseye, will ICANN be able to tell?

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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

Those six were:

Japanese, Hangul, Chinese, Cyrillic, Arabic, and Hebrew
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

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Its the only outcome that makes sense.

Verisign can come up with a thousand reasons why only certain languages in the 1st round; but what reason could they give as to why they went for a .com and not a .net, that wouldn't be sending a negative message about their other brand aka .net

Half and half for the 6 languages we already know about is what we'll see

And if you're reading this and still have wishful thinking that maybe a 7th language .com might slip in, I think you're going to be disappointed.
The value of .net in the 6 just rose a notch, and everything else just took a dirt-nap.
I still think it is too premature to assume that it will be 6 .coms and 6 .nets in the languages that have already been mentioned. Afterall, Pat specifically mentioned that most of the applications will be translits of .com as per below:

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VeriSign plans to apply for about 12 new top level domain names
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"VeriSign plans to apply for “about 12″ top level domain names this year, Pat Kane, Senior Vice President and General Manager of VeriSign Naming Services, said on VeriSign’s investor conference call this evening. Most of these will be transliterations of .com. In other words, internationalized domain names (IDNs)."

discussed already on this thread I believe but thought it was worthy of its own thread
http://www.idnforums.com/forums/3078...l-results.html
Also, as per Mulligan's stats, idn.com reg stats show Thai ahead of Hebrew (19,169 vs 15,945), so I think Thai still has a chance, and possibly Hindi as well. I recall that during one of these interviews, Pat specifically mentioned something to the effect that the translits they apply for would have to make financial sense. I don't think applying for Hebrew .net idn makes more sense than applying for .com idn in Thai given the current and potential growth stats based on the Thai population of about 70 million with Hebrew being used by about 6 million people or so.

If you look at Google Insight Chinese .com (.公司) is the most popularly used, followed by Japanese (コム), Thai (คอม), Arabic (كوم) and then Russian (ком):

ком 6
คอม 39
コム 61
קום 1
كوم 19

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If you look at Google Insight Chinese .com (.公司) is the most popularly used, followed by Japanese (コム), Thai (คอม), Arabic (كوم) and then Russian (ком):

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コム 61
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Thai is actually 2nd behind only CN if you only look at data from the past 12 months
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Its the only outcome that makes sense.

Verisign can come up with a thousand reasons why only certain languages in the 1st round; but what reason could they give as to why they went for a .com and not a .net, that wouldn't be sending a negative message about their other brand aka .net

Half and half for the 6 languages we already know about is what we'll see

And if you're reading this and still have wishful thinking that maybe a 7th language .com might slip in, I think you're going to be disappointed.
The value of .net in the 6 just rose a notch, and everything else just took a dirt-nap.
I agree with your reasoning however I would think that if that is the plan, it probably was decided long ago, which doesn't quite fit the Pat Kane's comment of 9-20 .com translits.

Why say 9 .com translits if you end up applying for only 6 ? And if you meant to include .net translits in your count, why would you say 9 - an odd number ?
http://domainnamewire.com/2011/07/07...tlds-and-idns/
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I agree with your reasoning however I would think that if that is the plan, it probably was decided long ago, which doesn't quite fit the Pat Kane's comment of 9-20 .com translits.

Why say 9 .com translits if you end up applying for only 6 ? And if you meant to include .net translits in your count, why would you say 9 - an odd number ?
http://domainnamewire.com/2011/07/07...tlds-and-idns/
We have to assume that the latest info is more accurate, and the latest info was 12, not 9-20

It would be a brave move to apply for a com and not net; that is officially trashing the .net value.

But we're all guessing right
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We have to assume that the latest info is more accurate, and the latest info was 12, not 9-20

It would be a brave move to apply for a com and not net; that is officially trashing the .net value.

But we're all guessing right
I personally think the value of .net is what the market dictates which for the most part we know that it is nowhere near ".com". As Pat indicated before, the application has to make financial sense. So if you look at the .net regs in Hebrew below, it's only 4,436 domains. Comparatively, I don't think that would make any good financial sense to include Hebrew IDN.net and exclude Thai IDN.com in this round.

So if we look at Verisign's latest info of 12 applications of idn translits and take into consideration his previous statement that Verisign will apply for 9-20 translits of .com, I would think that it would be at the very least 9 languages for .com translits (including Thai and Hindi as #7 and #8) and 3 of .net (possibly Chinese, Japanese and Arabic)


IDN.com and IDN.net Reg Stats:

.com (December 2011 / January 2012 - 838,637)

Latin: 198,104 (23.62%)
Greek: 2,846 (0.34%)
Cyrillic: 30,727 (3.66%)
Hebrew: 15,945 (1.90%)
Arabic / Persian etc: 37,067 (4.42%)
India: 4,763 (0.57%)
Thai: 19,169 (2.28%)
Hirangana / Katakana: 45,326 (5.40%)
Korean: 89,377 (10.66%)
Chinese / Kanji: 388,862 (46.37%)
Misc: 6,453 (0.77%)


.net (December 2011 / January 2012 - 238,173)

Latin: 48,757 (20.47%)
Greek: 698 (0.29%)
Cyrillic: 9,765 (4.10%)
Hebrew: 4,436 (1.86%)
Arabic / Persian etc: 14,211 (5.96%)
India: 1,061 (0.44%)
Thai: 4,300 (1.80%)
Hiragana / Katakana: 17,551 (7.37%)
Korean: 26,651 (11.19%)
Chinese / Kanji: 109,416 (45.94%)
Misc: 1,327 (0.55%)

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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

I tend to agree with those who suggest 9 .coms and 3 .nets, but this is just an educated guess. What I supposed we've learnt here for certain is that they haven't completely trashed the .net brand
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Re: 12 Transliterations have been applied for in both .com and .net

One thing you have to remember is that as well as running .com and .net, Verisign also run the ROOT, and thus are the ones who have full access to stats showing what IDN gTLD's are "accidentally"being typed in to browsers already. They will know which of their future IDN gTLD's (and everyone else's) already have a market.
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One thing you have to remember is that as well as running .com and .net, Verisign also run the ROOT, and thus are the ones who have full access to stats showing what IDN gTLD's are "accidentally"being typed in to browsers already. They will know which of their future IDN gTLD's (and everyone else's) already have a market.
There is also the possibility, albeit remote, that the folks at VRSN are taking the long view on IDNs and not looking to cash in on immediate upsurges in registering.

Long-term thinking would require not only respecting the .net enough to establish it in every language (it is an asset, after all), but also rolling out .nets concurrently and testing market response to both TLDs.
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