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Re: Reveal day - Winners & losers

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yea it looks like they had advance notice
As hard to believe as it is, it does look like it
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yea it looks like they had advance notice
They dropped a lot of .coms too. Other than 200 names snatched up in the drop, the other 3000+ were not even close to Tier 1 quality. Many were just plain and simple junk.
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Worth a hold I guess for someone who doesn't mind another 5 year wait (at least). But given the massive drop of prime Chinese and Japanese .nets the other week by TDC, and other prime names I've seen being let go, I'd say that is more than some can bear.

It's harder with the .nets, because there's no parking revenue to cheer you up.
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Verisign app below says its the Transliteration of com, and at #17 the phonetic of "ˈkoʊm".
Guess they should have hired a native speaker. :p



Applied-for gTLD string

13. Provide the applied-for gTLD string. If an IDN, provide the U-label.

קוֹם


14(a). If an IDN, provide the A-label (beginning with "xn--").

xn--hdb9cza1b


14(b). If an IDN, provide the meaning or restatement of the string in English, that is, a description of the literal meaning of the string in the opinion of the applicant.

Transliteration of com


14(c). If an IDN, provide the language of the label (in English).

Hebrew


14(c). If an IDN, provide the language of the label (as referenced by ISO-639-1).

Hebrew


14(d). If an IDN, provide the script of the label (in English).

Hebrew


14(d). If an IDN, provide the script of the label (as referenced by ISO 15924).

Hebrew


14(e). If an IDN, list all code points contained in the U-label according to Unicode form.

U+05E7 U+05D5 U+05B9 U+05DD


15(a). If an IDN, Attach IDN Tables for the proposed registry.

Not Available


15(b). Describe the process used for development of the IDN tables submitted, including consultations and sources used.

Verisign will leverage its mature shared registration system to provide services for the HEBREW_TRANSLITERATION_OF_COM gTLD. Verisign’s registration software is in compliance with all current IDN standards, including ICANN’s IDN Guidelines, as well as The Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA 2008) specification, published by the IETF as RFC 5891.

The IDN tables provided herein represent Unicode characters allowed for registration by Verisign’s software. The data in these tables come from three categories of source material.

1. Openly available language standards, published in RFC and other formats, by appropriate authorities.
2. The Unicode Standard, specifically definitions of written scripts as defined by this well-known specification.
3. ICANN’s own IDN Implementation Guidelines, which provide some special rules for domain registration, especially code points not appropriate for the DNS.


Attached IDN Tables

Per ICANN’s requirement, “IDN tables should be submitted in a machine-readable format. The model format described in Section 5 of RFC 4290 would be ideal.” Of the formats that the TAS tool accepts, there are no machine readable formats available for upload. The best format for machine readable, RFC 4290 compliant, text would be the open standard ASCII text format of .txt. Upon inquiring with ICANN applicants were told to submit the IDN tables in an .xls or .pdf format. All of the IDN tables attached to this application are available in the machine readable open standard ASCII text format of .txt. In order to meet the 5 attachment per question limit and the 5MB size per file, we have divided the Language and Script files into five files that accommodate the size of the tables. As such we have attached 4 .pdf files, and one .xls file. The single Excel file contains the one script file for Han which far exceeded the 5MB limit in .pdf but is offered here in .xls format. Again, all IDN tables are available for ICANN’s review in the required RFC 4290 compliant machine readable open standard ASCII text format of .txt outlined in the application; however, due to limitations in the TAS tool accommodations have been made.


15(c). List any variant strings to the applied-for gTLD string according to the relevant IDN tables.

N⁄A


16. Describe the applicant's efforts to ensure that there are no known operational or rendering problems concerning the applied-for gTLD string. If such issues are known, describe steps that will be taken to mitigate these issues in software and other applications.

Having successfully operated TLDs for more than 16 years and having used IDNs in our
registries since 2000, Verisign has deep knowledge and understanding of potential operational
or rendering problems associated with TLDs and IDN strings.

Verisign operates the HEBREW_TRANSLITERATION_OF_COM gTLD in compliance with the most recently
approved versions of the ICANN IDN Guidelines and RFC application protocol, currently RFC
5891, Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA2008.

Bi-directional rules for impacted scripts, outlined in RFC 5893 (Right-to-Left Scripts for IDNA),
specify the relevant rules for the HEBREW_TRANSLITERATION_OF_COM gTLD.


17. (OPTIONAL) Provide a representation of the label according to the International Phonetic Alphabet (http://www.langsci.ucl.ac.uk/ipa/).

ˈkoʊm

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So, anyone have an estimate of how many Chinese .com IDN's are currently registered?
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Re: Reveal day - Winners & losers

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.com (May 2011 - 791,509)

Latin: 190,770 (24.10%)
Greek: 2,851 (0.36%)
Cyrillic: 31,581 (3.99%)
Hebrew: 18,885 (2.38%)
Arabic / Persian etc: 40,817 (5.15%)
India: 5,289 (0.67%)
Thai: 15,500 (1.95%)
Hirangana / Katakana: 30,904 (3.90%)
Korean: 87,036 (10.99%)
Chinese / Kanji: 362,535 (45.80%)
Misc: 5,341 (0.67%)


.net (May 2011 - 219,629)

Latin: 47,291 (21.5%)
Greek: 713 (0.32%)
Cyrillic: 9,446 (4.3%)
Hebrew: 6,235 (2.83%)
Arabic / Persian etc: 13,312 (6.06%)
India: 1,063 (0.48%)
Thai: 3,453 (1.57%%)
Hiragana / Katakana: 11,059 (5.03%)
Korean: 28,107 (12.79%)
Chinese / Kanji: 97,816 (44.53%)
Misc: 1,129 (0.51%)
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Nice. They screwed the most people they could.
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We must be due for an update on those stats coughMULLScough

I'd do it but I lost access to the com zone file ages ago.
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We must be due for an update on those stats coughMULLScough

I'd do it but I lost access to the com zone file ages ago.
lol, yea sure would like to see new update also
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Re: Reveal day - Winners & losers

Coming in the next few(ish) days.

I believe these were the last stats I posted:

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/3065...-info-biz.html

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We must be due for an update on those stats coughMULLScough

I'd do it but I lost access to the com zone file ages ago.

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Re: Reveal day - Winners & losers

Not sure that Verisign are such fools.

No legitimate objection can be raised against their Chinese names.

This is not so for dot Gongsi.

Maybe Verisign are gambling that if that get out the box first they cement their position with heavy marketing before Dot Gongsi goes anywhere.

The other point I would like to make here, is that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The bigger the Cluster Fuck, the more free publicity they will get.

You have to ask yourself, if some of this is not all part of a deliberate strategy?
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You have to ask yourself, if some of this is not all part of a deliberate strategy?
Don't underestimate the power of Chinese diplomacy.

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Don't underestimate the power of Chinese diplomacy.
Exactly, and why would Verisign wish to be bogged down for years?
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As hard to believe as it is, it does look like it

Not hard to believe at all.

Why else would they drop 10+ years domains 1 month before reveal day unless they knew something we didn't?
Credit to them for recognizing the crap that was being offered and proceeding accordly.

Must have been a tough pill to swallow, i dont own 5% of the chinese names they do and i'm already pissed off.

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You have to ask yourself, if some of this is not all part of a deliberate strategy?
I asked myself and came to the conclusion that they are clueless fuckers with no strategy whatsoever. This became very obvious yesterday.

And I don't think they are planning to fight .gongsi. They believe in the power of dotcom. Unfortunately it's totally meaningless in Chinese.

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Just as a point of clarification, based on the details you described in your story, it is unlikely that Verisign would view the Chinese-language versions of the full words “company” and “network” reported to be sought by the Chinese government to be the same as – or even “confusingly similar” to – the transliterated versions of.com and .net that Verisign would potentially seek.

Verisign does not operate “.company” in ASCII text, and it is not likely that we’d seek it in other scripts. Our primary interest would be in a Chinese transliteration of the three-letter extension “.com,” not the word company.

While domains based on Chinese-language versions of the words ”company” and “network” may serve similar audiences as .com and .net, Verisign views them both as viable choices for Internet identities , as long as it doesn’t create unnecessary confusion surrounding .com and .net. Internet end-users around the globe already have many domain choices that serve similar audiences (.co.uk, .co, .biz, etc.) and we look forward to continuing to provide meaningful identity services beyond when new gTLDs are introduced.
http://domainincite.com/3505-verisig...he-chinese-com
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it is unlikely that Verisign would view the Chinese-language versions of the full words “company” and “network” reported to be sought by the Chinese government to be the same as – or even “confusingly similar” to – the transliterated versions of.com and .net that Verisign would potentially seek
Reading that again, geez that sounds like them going out of their way to appease the Chinese govt. I guess they know who controls the power switch to 1 billion Chinese internet connections.

I think there has been a very real strategy played out in Verisign's choice of extension. It's called not pissing off the key master.
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I asked myself and came to the conclusion that they are clueless fuckers with no strategy whatsoever. This became very obvious yesterday.

And I don't think they are planning to fight .gongsi. They believe in the power of dotcom. Unfortunately it's totally meaningless in Chinese.


http://domainincite.com/3505-verisig...he-chinese-com
Thanks for the link Bumblebee. As per below from the domaincite link, Drew tried his best to point out to Pat that even CNNIC uses 公司.cn (company) for it’s IDN version of com.cn. Pat's silence in not responding to Drew's statements speaks volume.

If a Chinese entity views 公司 as a .com best equivalence through the use of 公司.cn mapping to .com.cn and Pat does not, something is not right there. Smells like some back door deal to hand over what should have been Verisign's IP and effectively their registrants who hold corresponding idn.coms in Chinese. Effectively, IDN.com registrants in Chinese are being robbed of their rights to .gongsi domains. Agree with Drew, Pat is not acting in the best interest of Verisign shareholders nor their customer (the registrants).

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Pat,

Did you bother to check to see what the “transliteration” of .com and .net were (hint: there aren’t any) before publicly handing over your intellectual property to someone else.

Why do you think CNNIC uses 公司.cn (company) for it’s IDN version of com.cn ?

If you can’t get your mind around the Chinese language, employ someone at Verisign who can BEFORE you go making such statements in public and flushing your best asset down the toilet.

THERE GOES VERISIGN’S STOCK PRICE."

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Re: Reveal day - Winners & losers

not only that but there is no such thing as transliterations in Chinese, which makes the statement even more odd.

edit: basically saying the same thing as TD

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