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Old 26th June 2012, 12:57 PM
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dang.... ऋण.com is already taken..... loan/debt.com......
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dang.... ऋण.com is already taken..... loan/debt.com......
yeah, registered in 2001, you're only a decade too late
don't be sad. If it wasn't taken, then it would mean no one has seen any value in Hindi at all; but of course it is taken.. you really shouldn't be surprised.
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you're right..... silver lining in the dark cloud i guess.....

is the lucky fellow a member here....?
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the difference is i'm looking into italian and other languages for my own needs, so i'm willing to take the risk...
Pah. Italian IDN's are a flop. Hardly worth renewal fees. Anything past top-100 keyword or "includes a character with it's own key on the keyboard (like ñ in Spanish)" is a flop in French/Italian/Spanish/Portuguese and Italian especially.

Kannada ones hold much more promise IMHO. I still don't understand you, with 100% Kannada skill set, not regging whatever top 500 generic terms are still available. I think you're bat-shit crazy not regging them. Like maxing out your credit card regging then selling a few off each year to cover renewals.

I would give my third-born to have language skills in a script that hasn't been vacuumed up already.
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you're right..... silver lining in the dark cloud i guess.....

is the lucky fellow a member here....?
Not a WHOIS I recognise. Possibly he bought it 2nd hand. You'll get to know the major WHOIS Who's Who pretty quickly.
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yeah, registered in 2001, you're only a decade too late
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Pah. Italian IDN's are a flop. Hardly worth renewal fees. Anything past top-100 keyword or "includes a character with it's own key on the keyboard (like ñ in Spanish)" is a flop in French/Italian/Spanish/Portuguese and Italian especially.

Kannada ones hold much more promise IMHO. I still don't understand you, with 100% Kannada skill set, not regging whatever top 500 generic terms are still available. I think you're bat-shit crazy not regging them. Like maxing out your credit card regging then selling a few off each year to cover renewals.

I would give my third-born to have language skills in a script that hasn't been vacuumed up already.
.कॉम and .नेट are hindi; i can't expect a person to type in a kannada keyword and hindi extension......
so, i have to look into just hindi words.....

urban indian youth; majority users of the net (currently) are likely to use english rather than a native language on the net.....
if a user can type in .com, then it is likely that the person knows english and therefore will solely use english......

the region where native language would thrive is in rural india; where,penetration of the english language is relatively lower.....
and i suspect IDN.IDN would survive better than IDN.COM, as long as the keyword and the extension are of the same language......
but since the needs of the rural populace is different or restricted, keywords relating to them are limited......


i've been looking into DNblogs, and it seems you are right about italian/french/spanish/portuguese IDNs.... but i suspect there's still hope..... i think the current euro crisis has dampened the interest in these IDNs........ germany is a eurozone country that seems to be doing well; and germany seems to be the IDN doing well too...... that can't be just coincidence, i think..... i see 10,000,000 to 20,00,000 google searches for italian/french/spanish/portuguese keywords...... it might the ramblings of a newbie, but i haven't lost hope yet.....

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.कॉम and .नेट are hindi; i can't expect a person to type in a kannada keyword and hindi extension......
so, my i have to look into just hindi words.....
I was actually recommending you go out and buy $1000 worth of top keyword Kannada IDN.com's and sit on them until Verisign gets Kannada transliteration of .com into the root zone, selling the occasional domain to fund the renewals. Using your on-the-ground knowledge of course to decide what the best keywords are. That way in a few years time you would be the KING of Kannada Internet. You would control SO MUCH traffic.

The last guy that I know did something specifically for his language ended up owning a TV channel.

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urban indian youth; majority users of the net (currently) are likely to use english rather than a native language on the net.....
if a user can type in .com, then it is likely that the person knows english and therefore will solely use english......

the region where native language would thrive is in rural india; where,penetration of the english language is relatively lower.....
and i suspect IDN.IDN would survive better than IDN.COM, as long as the keyword and the extension are of the same language......
but since the needs of the rural populace is different or restricted, keywords relating to them are limited......
This is what we've been preaching all along - the IDN naysayers have been saying that you don't need IDN because most "foreigners" on the Internet have been getting along just fine using ASCII domains, but they're ignoring that HUGE disadvantaged underclass that will emerge when domains are available in 100% native script.

This is what makes India one of the biggest potential IDN markets out there.
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@Juicebox

ignore all these people, what do they know.

just head on over to Amazon and buy one of these

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@Juicebox.

It's good to learn at your own pace by making your own mistakes. I did this, but it took me several years to work out what I was doing with IDNs. Had I listened to the members here when I first started, my portfolio would probably be 10x better. If you wait too long, then the opportunities will pass you by.

Drewbert's advice on cornering the Kannada IDN market is gold. You couldn't pay a financial advisor enough to get that sort of tip, and he's offering that advice free. Probably as we speak, readers are looking over the available Kannada names to beat you to it, but they probably don't know what they're looking at. That's what happened with Hindi, with a native coming in after everyone thought the prime names were gone, only to sweep up the proper translations and lock down half the prime terms. That member will probably be a millionaire several times over.

Even just ten prime Kannada names at $90, you couldn't go wrong IMO.
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..at $90, you couldn't go wrong IMO.
my option is cheaper at $11.75 (+ only $1.95 shipping)
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my option is cheaper at $11.75 (+ only $1.95 shipping)
LOL. Ignorance is bliss I guess. On the other hand, being broke sucks.

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LOL. Ignorance is bliss I guess. On the other hand, being broke sucks.
sure it does.

and while Drews advice makes sense, it only makes sense if you've got cash in your pocket. Registering even only 50 IDNs in a language that won't see its IDN gTLD for maybe 5 years, and produces zero traffic revenue can be quite a burden. sure you can sell.. but the market is tough as we know.
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Registering even only 50 IDNs in a language that won't see its IDN gTLD for maybe 5 years, and produces zero traffic revenue can be quite a burden.
Agreed. You need to have a well balanced portfolio for sure. I think most of us are carrying a bag full of hopefuls that are covered (at least in part) by revenue winners. Otherwise the wait would be quite disheartening.
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I was selling the .net for $800 and had no takers .. It's no longer for sale

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@juicebox

The Hindi guys on various forums don't use Hindi, but use words that look like (i cut and pasted this):

ghar walo ko bata diya jayega ki hum sab thik hai.

They say it is faster to type these latin translits than Hindi characters.

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sure you can sell.. but the market is tough as we know.
Right now it is. I get the feeling in a year's time it will improve, even for future TLD names.
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