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Old 21st November 2012, 03:40 AM
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Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

Got this email from Dynadot the other day:

We have some news that will affect some IDNs in your account. Verisign, the central registry for COM and NET domains, has recently upgraded their systems to use the newer IDNA2008 standard. This standard disallows about eight thousand characters that used to be valid, including all uppercase characters, full/half-width variants, symbols, and punctuation. It also interprets four characters differently.

The following domains in your account are not allowed by the new IDNA2008 standard:

xn--igbka7dzdo77g.com

We recommend you no longer renew these domains. According to Verisign, they "will cease to function, at some point in time". Verisign has not given a specific date however. For more information, please see this link:
http://www.unicode.org/faq/idn.html


Which is all fine, but the domain name in question seems to be an Arabic name, and I cannot really discern why this domain name would not be allowed.
xn--igbka7dzdo77g.com

Can anybody help clarify the position on this?
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Old 21st November 2012, 03:50 AM
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

Received the same e-mail today for the Arabic Zero (٠) along with some other Thai names with weird characters that I think I messed up on (they have this ั).

Wtf!


I think maybe yours might be a problem with the hyphen? I believe it may be an Arabic hyphen... maybe that's why? I doubt there's a real issue... do you think?
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

I remember verisign decided a long time ago to stop supporting certain characters like wingdings and other symbols. It must contain some odd character. Is there a complete list somewhere of all disallowed characters?
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

I finally got some emails today.
Rejected was...

‘ U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK

Quote:
Conversion NOT successful.
Invalid A-Label. Converting putative U-Label “hawai‘i” back to A-Label failed: Invalid U-Label. 4.2.2. of RFC 5891: U+2018 is DISALLOWED
้ U+0E49 THAI CHARACTER MAI THO
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Conversion NOT successful.
Invalid A-Label. Converting putative U-Label “้รถใแนท” back to A-Label failed: Invalid U-Label. 4.2.3.2. (Leading Combining Marks) of RFC 5891
٧ U+0667 ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT SEVEN
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Invalid A-Label. Converting putative U-Label “٧” back to A-Label failed: Invalid U-Label. 4.2.3.4. (Right to Left) of RFC 5891: Failed bidi test 1. for codepoint U+0667
That last one hurts. Bye bye xn--gib.com I think I might have a few more arabic digits.

All the information you need to know is in the IDNA2008 standard. RFC 5891.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5891

This is weird, all the arabic digits are banned in IDNA2008 except for

۰ U+06F0 EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT ZERO

That one still works!
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

Got one as well for an Arabic number.
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

I cann't see any problem with the domain in the title except the arabic hyphen

yes it may be confusing for people but what about the arabic numbers ?
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Old 21st November 2012, 12:06 PM
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

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I remember verisign decided a long time ago to stop supporting certain characters like wingdings and other symbols. It must contain some odd character. Is there a complete list somewhere of all disallowed characters?
The Thai ones are disallowed because Thai vowels and tone marks cannot exist without being "attached" to a consonant. More info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abugida

Keyboards don't know that of course, hence you can get traffic ..... well for a little while longer at least. But the traffic is as junk as junk traffic can be. Losing these domains can't be considered a big loss. They would never earn well at parking or find end user buyers, save for perhaps eBay or Sedo

For this one:

“้รถใแนท”

The rejection is correct. With the quotation marks there its hard to see, but there seems to be a "may thoo" tonal marker i.e. ้ as the first "character". That isn't legal written Thai. Tonal markers cannot exist before consonants. Its not a word.

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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

Test your domains here : http://mct.verisign-grs.com/ if you are not sure

This is the VRSN punycode-unicode conversion tool, it has IDNA2008 baked in.

Also FYI Verisign has been IDNA2008 compliant for a long time, close to a year at least. It's dynadot who seems to have recently woken up
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

I got this email too...

What happens to people who own these domains and decide to keep them renewed? They will just take them away?
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

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What happens to people who own these domains and decide to keep them renewed? They will just take them away?
I think they will fail to resolve just like symbol domains, try ♥.com or xn--g6h.com and see what you get. I get "Oops! Google Chrome could not find xn--g6h.com". Note the Expiration Date: 06-nov-2013, he has almost a full year left on this beauty

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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

It's technical but IDNA2008 is compliant to the Bidi Rule (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5893#page-6). Rule 1 and 6 are especially relevant in this case.

This rule basically says that the first character of a name can't be an arabic number (AN). So all names that do start with an arabic number (U+0660 to U+0669 in unicode) are not allowed anymore under IDNA2008
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Re: Important Issues With IDNs In Your Account - Dynadot

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Test your domains here : http://mct.verisign-grs.com/ if you are not sure

This is the VRSN punycode-unicode conversion tool, it has IDNA2008 baked in.

Also FYI Verisign has been IDNA2008 compliant for a long time, close to a year at least. It's dynadot who seems to have recently woken up
Verisign is doing "well" then. Just reading a IETF discussion amongst browser makers and they all seem very slow doing anything, most are stuck on IDNA2003, some are using an interrim "standard" I can't even remember the name of.... But I guess if VeriSign takes action "at source", what goes on downstream will become less and less relevant.
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