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View Poll Results: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration?
Like a service i.e. ~$1 5 20.83%
Like a discounted registration i.e. ~$4 0 0%
Like a new registration i.e. ~$9 17 70.83%
Like a U.S Border Control cavity search $9-$20?+ 2 8.33%
Different pricing for different languages 0 0%
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How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

How will Verisign approach this? Treat it like a "service", like whois privacy.
Treat it like a regular registration, or maybe time to get the Vaseline out for a good old shafting of the non-English registrants.

It will be a delicate balance to pull off: wanting to generate growth vs wanting to make $

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Should really be a service but no doubt the US Border Control option would be their first choice. They will, however, probably back away from that and try to do it as a new registration.

If we get a good deal, I think we will owe much of the thanks to APTLD.
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Re: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

Verisign really needs to have a careful approach with the pricing levels on the new IDN TLD'S.

Some of the target countries have a low to very low income per capita (i.g. India) and high pricing the new extensions could ultimately undermine their sucess in the native market.
This could be a case where they can easily kill the golden goose.

Interesting to see how they aproach such different markets like Japan and India, different prices for different languages might be an option they should consider if technically feasible.
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Re: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

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Verisign really needs to have a careful approach with the pricing levels on the new IDN TLD'S.

Some of the target countries have a low to very low income per capita (i.g. India) and high pricing the new extensions could ultimately undermine their sucess in the native market.
This could be a case where they can easily kill the golden goose.

Interesting to see how they aproach such different markets like Japan and India, different prices for different languages might be an option they should consider if technically feasible.
good point. Have added a 5th option to the poll.
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Where's the "I have no fucking clue" option?
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Re: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

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Verisign really needs to have a careful approach with the pricing levels on the new IDN TLD'S.

Some of the target countries have a low to very low income per capita (i.g. India) and high pricing the new extensions could ultimately undermine their sucess in the native market.
This could be a case where they can easily kill the golden goose.

Interesting to see how they aproach such different markets like Japan and India, different prices for different languages might be an option they should consider if technically feasible.
I don't think different economic conditions matter that much. We are talking about people who are at least wealthy enough to pay .com reg fees. There's really not much rational for Verisign to offer special discount price to countries of difficult economic conditions.

And it will kill the market for any languages if Verisign is to ask more than what they do for the ascii version.
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Identical to the ascii idn imo.
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Identical to the ascii idn imo.
Good point. Already been priced.
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Re: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

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Verisign really needs to have a careful approach with the pricing levels on the new IDN TLD'S.

Some of the target countries have a low to very low income per capita (i.g. India) and high pricing the new extensions could ultimately undermine their sucess in the native market.
This could be a case where they can easily kill the golden goose.

Interesting to see how they aproach such different markets like Japan and India, different prices for different languages might be an option they should consider if technically feasible.
Different prices for different markets is an absolute non-starter. This would bring the ITC and the UN down on the heads of the US Commerce Dept which would put ICANN's Ass in a Sling. It would also spell more interference on pricing issues so Verisign are likely to tread carefully.

Legitimately Verisign cannot charge for Intellectual Property which they have already sold. They are only selling an extended service and this should reasonably only reflect the cost of providing that service.
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Re: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

As much as I'd like to see it being offered as a service or as a discount - I can't see that happening. I think it will be treated exactly as a new registration !!
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Re: How will Verisign price a gTLD transliteration of .com?

Verisign's ability to charge high prices for their IDN gTLDs is limited by the competition: IDN ccTLDs. However, there are other tricks they could play. For instance, registrants of IDN.com could be charged a "special activation fee" in order to activate their IDN.com-in-IDN.

I doubt they would do that, though.

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Verisign's ability to charge high prices for their IDN gTLDs is limited by the competition: IDN ccTLDs. However, there are other tricks they could play. For instance, registrants of IDN.com could be charged a "special activation fee" in order to activate their IDN.com-in-IDN.

I doubt they would do that, though.

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Verisign's limitation is the whim of the US Commerce Department who don't give a shit as long as it does not give the ITC traction.
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I think if they are smart and want to increase their base, they will give them for about a $1 or free/domain for the first year just to gain traction. And then charge the same renewal fee as a nonidn.com for subsequent years.
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I think if they are smart and want to increase their base, they will give them for about a $1 or free/domain for the first year just to gain traction. And then charge the same renewal fee as a nonidn.com for subsequent years.
That's a GoDaddy move, except the renewal is doubled the reg fee the following years to come.
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Since the ascii and the idn.idn reg. are unlikely to be the same day of renewal, that will be an excuse for $9 equivalence.
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Since the ascii and the idn.idn reg. are unlikely to be the same day of renewal, that will be an excuse for $9 equivalence.
But there is an argument that registeriing multiple domains is only necessary due to the user confusion that Verisign will have created, thus most people not just speculators, will end up having to buy two names when they only really wanted one. But only if you are Johnny Foreigner of course.

Not sure that profiting from deliberately created confusion totally fits the ICANN Ethos, if it has one! Then there is the ethical issue of discrimination, which of course is not an issue provided you come from an English Speaking country, such as India or China.
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But there is an argument that registeriing multiple domains is only necessary due to the user confusion that Verisign will have created, thus most people not just speculators, will end up having to buy two names when they only really wanted one. But only if you are Johnny Foreigner of course.

Not sure that profiting from deliberately created confusion totally fits the ICANN Ethos, if it has one!


so the ideal solution would be whatever gets grandfathered in is free, and new regs are regular price. you can still have both but need to only reg one (idn.idn or idn.com) and the other one is auto-reserved for you.
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Since the ascii and the idn.idn reg. are unlikely to be the same day of renewal, that will be an excuse for $9 equivalence.
I think, for the sake of simplicity, when they offer the .idncom version to the .com owner, they will synchronise expiry dates.
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Should really be a service but no doubt the US Border Control option would be their first choice. They will, however, probably back away from that and try to do it as a new registration.

If we get a good deal, I think we will owe much of the thanks to APTLD.
I agree 100%, but I don't think the service charge would be any lower for foreign registrants if Nominet UK was in charge, either.

These are, after all, for profit entities so they will have to get the word out somehow.
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