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Re: Looking for a Japanese geographic name

Please define "big city" .

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Please define "big city" .

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a city that is big


prefecture capital cities for example, or cities that have the same name as the prefecture
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Re: Looking for a Japanese geographic name

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I prefer city terms to NOT have the city suffix of 市
Appreciate if you can let me comment on the city sign on your thread, since it is just good information for all, including newbies in case they have the chance to get one at a good price.

Just for point of info, the 市 sign is very commonly used in Japan and many city terms (and city-realestate combos) get higher ovt with the city sign attached. All in all, learned that it is common to see the use of the city sign throughout Japan.

I agree with Alpha, and for development of a site think the shorter version is probably better. but was surprised to see the frequency of use of the city sign throughout Japan.

I would be interested in any other info from a native speaker, maybe on a new thread. I also note that the Chinese use the city sign, but not nearly as frequent or mainstream.

Now....back to the main event....sending your best Japanese city.coms to Alpha!

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Appreciate if you can let me comment on the city sign on your thread, since it is just good information for all, including newbies in case they have the chance to get one at a good price.

Just for point of info, the 市 sign is very commonly used in Japan and many city terms (and city-realestate combos) get higher ovt with the city sign attached. All in all, learned that it is common to see the use of the city sign throughout Japan.

I agree with Alpha, and for development of a site think the shorter version is probably better. ment, but was surprised to see the frequency of use of the city sign throughout Japan.

I would be interested in any other info from a native speaker, maybe on a new thread. I also note that the Chinese use the city sign, but not nearly as frequent or mainstream.

Now....back to the main event....sending your best Japanese city.coms to Alpha!
feel free to keep this discussion regarding 市 going, as I have a vested interest too.

I have no knowledge on this topic other than the whois tells an interesting tale.

where the cities where registered by native Japanese folk, the term without the 市 was taken long long ago. This to me indicates that they are more valuable.

but how much more valuable? I've seen cities with the 市 sell for as little as $55, and cities without are being positioned more in the xx,xxx range.
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Re: Looking for a Japanese geographic name

I think you are right to say that major cities .COM (>1mln pop) with the city sign, few people are going to let them go for less than $10k.

01 Tokyo 23 special wards 8,390,967 23 special wards/The capital of Japan/Prefecture capital
02 Kanagawa Yokohama 3,579,133 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
03 Osaka Osaka 2,640,097 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
04 Aichi Nagoya 2,214,958 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
05 Hokkaido Sapporo 1,882,424 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
06 Hyogo Kobe 1,525,389 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
07 Kyoto Kyoto 1,474,764 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
08 Fukuoka Fukuoka 1,400,621 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
09 Kanagawa Kawasaki 1,317,862 Government Ordinance City
10 Saitama Saitama 1,185,030 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
11 Hiroshima Hiroshima 1,156,215 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital
12 Miyagi Sendai 1,028,214 Government Ordinance City / Prefecture capital

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feel free to keep this discussion regarding 市 going, as I have a vested interest too.

I have no knowledge on this topic other than the whois tells an interesting tale.

where the cities where registered by native Japanese folk, the term without the 市 was taken long long ago. This to me indicates that they are more valuable.

but how much more valuable? I've seen cities with the 市 sell for as little as $55, and cities without are being positioned more in the xx,xxx range.
Without are definitely more valuable in my opinion especially when when the name covers both city and prefecture.
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Re: Looking for a Japanese geographic name

Another thing i noticed that i forgot to mention is that certain areas seem to prefer it just withought it , Bill is correct when he see's alot of the ovt. with Shi but some areas are winning on ovt. withought it , But yeah when a term covers the perfecture and city thats definetly worth alot more IMO
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Another thing i noticed that i forgot to mention is that certain areas seem to prefer it just withought it , Bill is correct when he see's alot of the ovt. with Shi but some areas are winning on ovt. withought it , But yeah when a term covers the perfecture and city thats definetly worth alot more IMO

It's a win-win situation, because the city and prefecture share the same name, people tend to indicate city or prefecture.
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It's a win-win situation, because the city and prefecture share the same name, people tend to indicate city or prefecture.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%E5%A...A4%A7%E9%98%AA

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%E5%B...o=all&date=all

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%E7%A...o=all&date=all
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I think the withouts have it, without going for a detailed count.
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I think the withouts have it, without going for a detailed count.

The point is that when cities and prefectures share the same name, people tend to indicate city when they are referring to cities (targeted traffic).

So it's a win-win situation for advertisers.
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I think the withouts have it, without going for a detailed count.
Yes, I take your point but for domains shorter is always better. Even with a boost to the city for the sake of disambiguity, the withouts are winning about 3 to 1 by my reckoning. If you take into account that we are talking domains rather than search terms the advantage is much much greater. Simplicity and memorability will always be the key to domaining.
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Yes, I take your point but for domains shorter is always better. Even with a boost to the city for the sake of disambiguity, the withouts are winning about 3 to 1 by my reckoning. If you take into account that we are talking domains rather than search terms the advantage is much much greater. Simplicity and memorability will always be the key to domaining.

The shorter is always better, but they also cost much more.

In comparison to Chinese:

Shenzhen Vs Shenzhen City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...B3%E5%B8%82%2C

Suzhou Vs Suzhou City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Shanghai Vs Shanghai City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Guangzhou Vs Guangzhou City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Beijing Vs Beijing City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Chengdu Vs Chengdu City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Nanjing Vs Nanjing City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Tianjin Vs Tianjin City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Xiamen Vs Xiamen City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all

Hangzhou Vs Hangzhou City:
http://www.google.com.sg/trends?q=%E...o=all&date=all


Finally, the biggest mystery solved by Google Trends.

What a wonderful tool.

People can now verify what i told them about japanese cities and chinese cities. The truth prevails.

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The shorter is always better, but they also cost much more.
I am sure if you go through the whois records of the short forms of the major Japanese Cities you will see that most of them have been booked out from day one, and it won't so much a question of how much as whether at all.
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Re: Looking for a Japanese geographic name

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The shorter is always better, but they also cost much more.
and thats the question.

I think though that Japanese cities that share their name with the prefecture are maybe a little misleading in this context, yes they will have greater value than the name with city symbol and the name with prefecture symbol.

...but take a city that does not share it's name with the prefecture, the general consensus is that the name without city symbol is worth more - but by what multiple?

10x? 20x? 100x?

and the overture doesn't back this arguement up either....
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and thats the question.

I think though that Japanese cities that share their name with the prefecture are maybe a little misleading in this context, yes they will have greater value than the name with city symbol and the name with prefecture symbol.

...but take a city that does not share it's name with the prefecture, the general consensus is that the name without city symbol is worth more - but by what multiple?

10x? 20x? 100x?

That has yet to be established. Have you sold your Fukuako?
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and thats the question.

I think though that Japanese cities that share their name with the prefecture are maybe a little misleading in this context, yes they will have greater value than the name with city symbol and the name with prefecture symbol.

...but take a city that does not share it's name with the prefecture, the general consensus is that the name without city symbol is worth more - but by what multiple?

10x? 20x? 100x?
Well I would suggest looking at Hyogo and comparing it with its capital city.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%E5%8...A5%9E%E6%88%B8


First two results are for the Prefecture Hyogo and the second two are for Kobe the Capital.
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